Nonduality Vs. Spirituality

[Echoes]

Hey!

I was wondering. There are these more grounded guys like Rupert Spira, Francis Lucille, Peter Ralston, Paul Hedderman etc. who basically point to realizations that one can awaken to on his own. And then there are people like Abraham Hicks, Bashar, Teal Swan who claim to have metaphysical knowledge (like Law of Attraction, Reincarnation mechanisms, Aliens, Densities of reality, etc.) 

My question: Is it possible to also awaken to and realize for oneself those metaphysical mechanisms or laws? Or will it forever be something that we either belief or disbelief in? 

One possibility might be to try things like Law of Attraction and see if it works. But that wouldn't prove the Law itself would it? It could also be coincedence etc. 

Edited April 22, 2017 by Echoes

[SOUL]

Enlightenment is simple but a challenge to attain, it's nothing more than being present to the moment in being aware of one's own aware being.

Many of the ideas and concepts surrounding that pursuit can become complicated and often quite extravagant with it's claims of universal "truth".

If you are genuinely seeking to transform you inner life start with the simple things and invest your time and energy in what works effectively for you.

Spend less time dissecting exotic concepts that often serve to distract from the already difficult but simple task of staying attentive to the moment.

When one has manifested being present in the moment as a typical way of being those other deeper concepts will reveal themselves as needed.

Attempting to understand the deeper concepts as a way to attain being present can be more of a distraction than a guide.

Edited April 22, 2017 by SOUL

[eputkonen]

@Echoes , I have an analogy to try to put your comparison in perspective.  Awakening (and nonduality) is about realizing you are dreaming, while metaphysical knowledge is about learning how to play well within the dream (although you may not realize you are dreaming).

That is also the difference between enlightenment and spiritual powers...one who is enlightened may not have spiritual powers (and even if they do, may have no interest in them)...and on the other hand you have one who has spiritual powers and can do amazing things but still a trapped by the illusion (and suffering).

Awakening does not bring knowledge of metaphysical mechanism or laws.  Knowledge of metaphysical mechanisms or laws does not bring awakening.

One is seeing through the illusion...the other is getting good at manipulating the illusion.

[aurum]

I've found that they do go hand in hand. As I've understood the Absolute more, I've found myself gravitating to these kinds of ideas.

That being said, having an enlightenment experience does not necessarily guarantee relative knowledge.

 

[Gopackgo]

1 hour ago, SOUL said:

Enlightenment is simple but a challenge to attain, it's nothing more than being present to the moment in being aware of one's own aware being.

Many of the ideas and concepts surrounding that pursuit can become complicated and often quite extravagant with it's claims of universal "truth".

If you are genuinely seeking to transform you inner life start with the simple things and invest your time and energy in what works effectively for you.

Spend less time dissecting exotic concepts that often serve to distract from the already difficult but simple task of staying attentive to the moment.

When one has manifested being present in the moment as a typical way of being those other deeper concepts will reveal themselves as needed.

Attempting to understand the deeper concepts as a way to attain being present can be more of a distraction than a guide.

Like soul is saying- The teachers you are asking about have recognized that addiction to spirituality is no different than any other addiction. The problem with a lot of the spirituality message is that it suggests that all of these amazing things which are outside of your experience will all the sudden be given to you if you become enlightened. What that does is creates a feeling in people that what is already in experience isnt whole, so they need to seek out enlightenment to be whole. It is the same cycle of wanting that is behind any addiction. Outside of perception is nothing. Assuming that you need to find what is outside of yourself is assuming that you need to know nothing. It is completely unknowable. Liberation is realizing that what is happening is already whole. It is not about becoming a psychic, or attaining some power that will make a self more special. It is about what is already there recognizing that it already is. It is not about what is already there reaching out into unknowable nothingness and pulling an object back to itself. There is no one there to be improved in the first place. There is what is happening, not what might, could, or should be happening. All of that is the thought process of self, and is an utter illusion. It is what Leo would call a trap. The assumption underlying it is that to be happy, the dream has to be made better with objects that are separate. It's ass backwards, and it is the self trying to fight against not having control.