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@Clayman Ah, there we go! Perfect. Thanks.

@Neptune2020 IMO though, the lines get quite blurry between Turquoise and Enlightenment anyway and I think that until a large portion of the population gets there, it all remains speculation and armchair-philosophy of what might be, but not actually is.

@Neptune2020 Depends on how you'd interpret Enlightenment and Turquoise. Elinghtenment isn't necessarily attached or correlated to any stage at all, but should you go deep down the rabbit hole of Awakening, there's a good chance you'll naturally rise up to turquoise, even though it may not be a very deep understanding or embodiment of it, since you can't really skip stages that much.

Anyways, I found Leo's video again called "Intro to Systems Thinking", so that brought me right back on track, now it's all clear again...

@White Frankly, I can see all kinds of differnt people at differnt stages on this forum; mostly orange and green though, but yellow's certainly in the mix there too - and perhaps 1 to 5 mainly turquoise people as well, but who could possibly know who they are

@White Well yeah, at least there's a (high) chance for that, especially on this kind of forum.

@White If you read closely you'll see that I din't say that Yellow itself represents such a melting pot - I was describing the forum:)

@White I wouldn't necessarily agree that nobody on this forum is at Yellow. In fact, that'd be highly unlikely IMO since this forum is such a melting pot for so many people that aspire to higher levels of consciousness and such. But thanks for the recommendation though:)

A very recommandable documentation on Burning Man! You might not be able to understand that much because it's mostly in German, but if you want to get a really good insight into Stage Green behaviour and mentality, doesn't get any better than this.

Well, if you ask me, this "constant bliss"-thing isn't really what it seems to be to most people. Many report that after their enlightenment, or total release and/or surrender to put it in different words, they experience that state of total bliss which has a non-defined duration that is individual to everyone, but for some it may last weeks or even months. It is very rare and uncommon to hear that people are abiding in that state for years on end, because in the end, it is always safe to say that it will slowly become less and less pronounced and you will take it on as your default state, more or less - unless you totally dissolve in it and.... die (I don't know for sure, but I'm quite certain that it does have something to do with achieving a conscious death, but there's surely a lot more to it). IMO though, the bliss that is often mentioned over time actually just transitions into pure love and compassion which is the absolute source of the deepest bliss you could experience anyway.

@Brittany Thanks! @Sahil Pandit Yeah, from time to time I might post some little snippets and excerpts again, we'll see!:)

Here are some excerpts from the book that I'm currently writing which seemed fitting to me describing the transition-mindset from orange to green. In this particular section I was writing on, I was indirectly focusing on the ways our subconscious drive for survival is linked to- and manifested in our contemporary (largely orange-dominated) society and culture. "The further we are away from the losing end, the lesser we could care about the consequences of our actions or about what happens to other people, animals or the environment, since our own self-agenda is not primarily built upon the wellbeing and benefit of people or creatures that are not ourselves. In other words: the lesser we are able to identify ourselves with things that are different and seemingly other than ourselves, the more we are capable to inflict harm or damage upon them." "Thus, modern culture is still largely built upon the crab-mentality that represents the basic behaviour of crabs in a bucket. Whenever one tries to escape it, all the other crabs will pull it back down so that in the end, all crabs will die together. If I’m going to die, you will die with me – privilege that is exclusively granted to you is unbearable to me, as I always come first and what happens to all the others is not my concern." "It’s undoubtedly purely narcissistic and egocentric behaviour that we essentially all live by, without ever admitting that we do it. [...] But, just like crabs in a bucket, there is no way to achieve the best for all if we can’t come around to acknowledge our behaviour and to start acting selfishly in a more unified and cooperative way, based on the knowledge that what I want, is basically what you want too."

@Leo Gura Oh shit! *lmao* That Balmer video is just pure gold... never knew he was so intense; let's just call it that.

Thanks for the recommendation!

Dreams are awesome... Paying attention to your dreams pays off so much, it's overwhelming. So fascinating how something so simple and something taken for granted so heavily, day and day again, can actually prove to you through first hand "experience" that all of life and all that we commonly think of as reality is nothing but pure surreality - an illusion and a dream. I've had many dreams before where I actually experienced sensations of whatever was going on but they were mostly related to the sense of touch. Today, in addition to touch, I experienced taste for the first time ever in a dream - and it was the most perfect taste you could possibly imagine. Nothing ever tasted so pure and just outright... perfect as what I have experienced. If you could get an orgasm merely from the sensation of taste, that's how good it was. But apart from the experience itself, it just strikes me time and time again that something as simple as a dream can basically lead you to Infinity or the Absolute the more you incorporate the insights and experiences that you have - even though to me personally, the words insight or experience don't even truly describe what such a dream can do to you. It's more like a simultaneous breakdown and reinforcement of reality, and to me, it really just presents a radically new way of BEING, more than anything else - and it feels great! So, yeah, in a sense all I wanted to do was to report about this experience as it was so fascinating to me, but other than that, what you will draw from this post is kinda up to you I guess Up until now, I've never had the chance to experiment with psychadelic drugs, but I'd actually dare to say that also dreams (including all sorts of stuff like lucid dreaming, astral projection and whatnot...) can also, additionally, give you a strong (awakening) experience if embodied and incorporated correctly, granted you go far enough with what you were able to draw from them. It (the experience) may not be as absolutely overwhelming and/or crushing as psychadelics, but I think they are also a very good catalyst for one's awakening/journey that is fortunately super easily accessable and available with an infinte abundance.

Reality is only consciousness, non-physical and only a dream, and consiousness is infinite, then how come we always wake up as the same person after we went to sleep? As Rupert Spira once said, the waking state is contracted consciousness and while asleep consciousness opens back up to its boundless form - but, why does it then always come back to the same contracted form (Me) till the day I die?

Well, technically we've woken up to the fact that it is all a dream.

@who chit No, it's perfectly fine, it's nice that you reminded me of that fact. I've also watched Leo's episode "Life is a Dream" again and in it, he said that there are certain rules or boundaries to them dream, much like guidelines along which "reality"/the dream plays out, soo... yeah, I guess that's quite synonymous with "simply taking reality as it is". And you're correct, I was in fact simply theorizing - and perhaps got a little lost in it, so thanks again for reminding me.

@who chit Well yeah, that's exactly what I was saying, essentially. Being awareness. But, based on that, just why couldn't you then be aware of a totally differnt body for example in the "waking dream"? While in deep sleep and while consciousness is unbounded you can literally experience anything, hence the infiniteness of consciousness, but why does "my" body then first need to die in order for consciousness to inhabit a differnt mind and body? That's the question I'm interested in.

I've thought about that as well. The consistency of the "waking dream" is what makes it feel so real and gives you the impression that you're "awake" and "actually there" in reality. Night time dreams don't have this consistency and therefore, we like to draw the distinction between them and attribute different values and meanings to them, for the "waking dream" is certainly the "more important" or real and relevant dream for many people. As for identity, what would you then suggest to be a reliable basis for identity ? I think that memories are indeed a valid basis for identity, even though it is surely just conceptual. But at the end of the day you simply have to identify as something, right? Running around and merely saying that you identify as consciousness/nothingness/awareness isn't that practical I think.

@tsuki Identity is nothing that is set in stone, I know that, but what I can say for certain is that I always come back to the same body and mind for sure. @Solace I get what you're saying, it's a good point. But notice, time is created by the amount of thoughts that you have. In sleep, we experience no time necessarily because there are no thoughts.

In other words: how come consciousness is temporarily bound to the experience of my body and mind, contrary to it not being bound temporarily and experiencing different perspectives or bodies all the time. How could it be that life plays out the way it does, meaning that you go through the process of growing up, maturing and dying some day. Why is it this way and not some other way.

Thanks for the replies but you didn't quite understand my question properly. All I want to know is why it couldn't be that when we go to sleep, we wake up as a differnt person for example with a completely differnt life, given that consciousness is infinite. Why is it that it's always exactly my body and my life that I have known for years and why not potentially a completely differnt one.

!!!WARNING!!! LOW CONSCIOUSNESS CONTENT So I thought just in case you are in need for some additional, practical, tangible proof for the fact that reality is absolutely infinite, on my own risk I've exposed myself to some of the most low consciousness material out there on youtube in order to provide it to you as well. Have a look... Now, all jokes aside, I know it may be easy to watch this and go "Hah, look at them how stupid and idiotic they are! What a moronic bunch of idiots...", but, this wouldn't be the Actualized.org Forum if we didn't add a little bit of raised consciousness into mix, right? Therefore, try to look for similarities or familiarities that you can find between the behvaiour of those people and your own. I'm actually kind of serious about it, go and try it out if you like. Also, for all of you who are into consciousness work and non-duality type of stuff, I urge you to watch these videos with the thought in mind "Yeah, that could totally be me right there just as well" (and guess what, this is you, because all of it is part of the same consciousness). Having said that, watching these videos is weirdly enough just as valuable for your spiritual growth and maturity as meditating 5 hours a day and purifying all your chakras (or whatever else you might be into at the moment). Stuff like this is also a part of you and there's no denying about that. It may not be the prettiest of them all, but hey, we want to be thoroughly, right...? [Always cringe responsibly, please]

@Soulbass Damn that video is actually quite weird and sad at the same time.