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@Joseph Maynor ah old tv show? Bfore my time. Ive never really watched tv thought to though so that’s probably why I haven’t seen it to.

@Joseph Maynor I don’t know what that is. But it sounds bad lol

Be carful buddy

Why do you want a guru?

Your not worthless just confused ?‍♀️

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Lol

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@Aquarius ??

@Aquarius yeah? I listen to mostly Native American music. Little Japanese and Chinese stuff to?

Another example of disorderly thought. Both the Cause and the Effect of illusion and deception. Just another mind that lacked awarness and the capacity to see and understand the nature of the self, and who could not distinguish between that which is thought and which what was independent of thought. A mind in a muddle??‍♂️

Is not illusion a semblance or reality? An appearence of reality distorted by thought “the self” A false or incorrect perspective of realty. Is there not only illusion and deception when thought escapes from a fact, Fear, sorrow, pain, suffering, and so on? Seems that not seeing that thought in its search for security is creating this illusion. Also an illusion seems to be mistaken as being independent of thought.

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What determines an experience? Is it not the experiencer?

@StephenK I understand. thought, sensory realty, conciousness depends on conditions. Seems reasonable so far.

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@Nahm ??

Yeah lolol? Only when thought ends there is truth. This is why I am so interested in the limits of thought.

Only when thought ends is there truth?

Reality as we know it “sensory reality” is conditioned right? Depends on the senses. Actuality, the fact. Every thing conditioned and determining every other thing: all interrelated. Thought is part of this. Reality as experienced cannot be independent of man. There is also reality which is not made by man, by mankind. But that’s still limited. The cosmos, for example, as seen by us is influenced by our own experience “thought” and therefore limited. Any thing that we see, we see through our own experience, our own background. So that reality cannot possibly be totally independent of man. It may be relatively independent. The tree is a reality that is relatively independent but it’s our consciousness that abstracts the tree. When we investigate reality we can not view this as seperate if that makes sense.... Is man’s reality the product of influence and conditioning? Seems so what do you guys think? ...Remember everythng i say here is to be questioned and investigated. My attempt is to come to a general consensus.

Word reality comes from ``res'', thing,.. does this implies anything that thought operates on, or fabricates, or reflects about, is reality. If thought didn’t operate would there be reality?

It seems this should be able to be explained considering realty is a reflection of thought. Is reality is a process of thought? Or isn’t any thing that thought things about is reality?

@vizual lol this is for everyone to meet one another

Yeah lolol I see a lot of talking about reality yet there seems to be an unclear consensus of what that is or implies. I posted that question before but know one seemed interested. maybe that needs to be cleared up so we can meet one another??‍♂️

If thought attributes to itself as being different or independent of thought “reality” this is disorderly thinking.