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Lol @Truth Addict Hope leads to illusion. To bring hope in is to deny compassion. Hope is a movement of thought. Thought can not touch on love. ?

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@How to be wise Not a drop ?

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David Bohm ⭕️ ??

Compassion is the awareness of a deep bond between yourself and all creatures. Eckhart Tolle

If there is no order in your relationship with your wife, with your husband, with your children, with your neighbour - whether that neighbour is near or very far away - forget about meditation. Jiddu Krishnamurti?

?Thats interesting that you say that. Why do you feel that?

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Lol It’s not really a personal development type a deal. It’s more about a development of the whole. But their are many forms of fragmentation.?

Another problem of fragmentation is that thought divides itself from feeling and from the body. Thought is said to be the mind; we have the notion that it is something abstract or spiritual or immaterial. Then there is the body, which is very physical. And we have emotions, which are perhaps somewhere in between. The idea is that they are all different. That is, we think of them as different. And we experience them as different because we think of them as different. David Bohm

No? I have only read a few quotes that she did. I did all my work ‘inquiry’ after I was already free from time. I inquired after but on my own. My intention was to figure out what had happened to me. Now I am exploring what others have done to find similarities and learn different ways to communicate this important sharing. I have noticed I can investigate just about any sharing and pretty much understand and relate to what is said fairly easy. I hope her sharings are helping you and I hope you become free from time as well ? ??

I appreciate your honesty.?? I am not taking any side on this. Just expressing points that may be worth investing. Thanks for sharing?

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So actually @How to be wisetheir is nothing wrong with meditation and other such techniques, and @eskwire their is nothing wrong with people finding there own particular teacher/portal. Trial and error will be the deciding factor. Don’t just participate in “the way” you choose to do things, but also observe it and learn about it. You may find limits you never knew exsisted?

I was a beginner when it ended lol i will always be a beginner. But, I am not bound by time.

This is not a gradual process. Time is not needed to discover this. Process being gradual is depending on psychological time. Psychological time is an illusion but it is also a fact that exists actually. But to depend on psychological time is depending on an illusion as means to accomplish. And what happens when we do that???? Further illusion and deception perhaps??‍♂️ Thats why it takes some people so long. For me it was instantaneous and uninvited. Not the result of any movement of thought and time which are the same. When the movement of fear and its attempt to secure itself ended so did time. This could take a minute or it could take 60 years if not ever. Check it out before you come to a conclusion. As coming to a conclusion before investigating is also a movement of fear, thought, self, time. ??

One thing to consider is who is going to unattach oneself from thought. When the one who does so is still moving in the direction of thought? And if the movement ‘achievement’ is taking place this is still a movement of fear which implies self/thought. So thought at that point has not been detatched from at all. It has played a trick on itself. Something else to consider ?

I think the importants of a method is to show you that relying on methods ‘thought/self’ as an authority leads to further methods, techniques, and systems of thought itself. There is nothing wrong with methods and such but they are used to show you through personal experience the limitations of such. They may be very well useful as you must find out for yourself. Question to ask is does the actual method, technique, system actually free one from the bondage of time, when it itself is a movement bound by time??? Or can time ‘movement of fear/ego’ bring about a realm without fear/ego/time??? And are the patterns of all systems designed to show you as a trial and error type of learning experience??? This is a possiblity to look into

Their is no real separation between thought, ego, and ones very effort to end itself. It’s all the same movement of mind/time. So a whole different kind of movement must take place. Do you see this?? Investigate for yourself?

Killing the ego is a movement of thought/ego. This is the pattern of the self ‘time/thought/ego’ using the movement of ‘time/thought/ego’ to bring about a movement out of time. Does this seem possible to you?

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@How to be wise do you see that asking how invites time? When you ask how you are attempting to bring intellect ‘thought’ in to the picture. When thought ‘volition/will’ influinces the very degree of order in thinking itself. You can’t use time to get to the timeless. That’s trying to use an incomplete action to capture action that is whole/complete. Keep with this. Don’t give up on comprehension of this.? And remember thought will do everything it can to avoid this action from coming into being. That is it’s function.

If we were just dealing with abstractions being philosophy, theory, conceptualizations, this topic would belong in the self actualized forum. You know