Carl-Richard

I had an awakening on my 3rd ever meditation and I thought I was going to disappear forever.

Not only that, but I have a tiny suspicion that we might be talking about a very specific form of clouding here...

Annihilation. It's the most accurate representation of a bad trip that I've ever come across. I literally have PTSD from some of the scenes.

Yes please give a concrete definition of these otherwise extremely relative terms. Something tells me that is not going to happen... but sure, I'm not going to stop you.

But I'm seriously saying that you didn't say anything about what capacity means, or what you mean by integration, or the distinction between "this environment" and "any environment". I just didn't expect to read this amount of text without taking anything away from it.

If I have to be completely honest, you didn't actually say anything.

He is just off the herb for sober october.

The thing you're doing right now? Well, it's not working.

Yup. It's easy to watch one youtube video about it and patting yourself on the back for understanding the gist of it, but if you think that makes you on the same level as someone like Noam Chomsky, then your interpretation of SD becomes of very little substance.

Remaining sober while smoking the biggest cigar I've ever seen...

That is exactly my question to Leo.

Get down from your high horse, buddy. He is obviously not healthy (anybody can see that), but I'm actually interested in the specifics around mental illnesses as a psychology student, which is exactly why I'm asking about the specifics...

At 21, you've at most barely entered Yellow. It's one thing to able to absorb the material that Leo is presenting, but it's another thing to have a broad and rich silo of perspectives that reflect those principles, and that only comes with time. It's like the difference between a building made out of steel and a steel nail: they're made out of the same material, but they're not at all comparable in size, scale or complexity.

Do you have any information about the specifics?

There are different dimensions of this issue. For example, anti-racism and racism both contain elements of division, but you should be careful with comparing them.

You can't blame the Left for that division. It's the main selling point of the Right.

It depends where you are in life. Development naturally happens faster at a younger age, but when you're older you're able to streamline your development (like you're suggesting here). I'm not old enough to comment on anything outside the childhood/early-adulthood developmental aspects of SD, but for me I unlocked stages in steps of 3-5 years. I would emphasise the difference between "unlocking" and "maturing". I wouldn't consider myself fully mature in neither orange nor green. That might take another 10 years.

That's the biggest strawman I've ever seen lmao.

You're defining science as an ideal rather than looking at its actual presence in the real world. That is hella naive. Self-realization doesn't cure cancer or end world hunger.

Sometimes people's actions don't match their intentions.

What is really interesting is how this dynamic is able to co-exist with the tendency towards hyper-conformity and militaristic submission to authority. They appreciate strictly regulated and disciplined behavior as long as they agree with it. Free speech is in a sense only seen as a weapon to use against people for whom they disagree with.

You just solved all the world's problems.

Another point on racism being related to fear is there was a study that showed taking a drug that inhibits a certain adrenaline receptor lead to decreases in implicit racial bias. The reason why racism is seen in the lower stages of SD development is essentially because these stages are more egocentric and therefore more fear-based. There is a reason why racists in America say they don't trust black people and that they perceive them as dangerous and "out to no good". It's a well-established fact that if you grow up while being close with people of other races, then you're much more likely to be accepting of other races as an adult. Everything boils down to the fear of the unknown.

@Leo Gura I should've specified that I mean it takes a shot at the "common" materialist notions, but yes it technically just becomes a different type of materialist mindtrap in the end.

There are different degrees and aspects to this phenomena. You might be used to looking at them from a distance, but have you actually held one in your hand? I used to be creeped out about big spiders until I moved into a basement with huge spiders everywhere in my room. Now I no longer find them creepy. Another example is my mother who is a doctor. She is used to examining people's bodies and has a much lower threshold than other peoole for talking about disgusting bodily stuff at the dinner table. This is very interesting because she is usually extremely digust sensitive when it comes to other things like keeping her house clean and personal hygiene. I think the best example of how digust is subject to conditioning is how you are able to take a shit, wipe yourself and flush without constantly fighting the digust response, meanwhile if you see a human turd on the street, you'll most likely find it comparatively unpleasant.