Blissout

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    Liberation is the end of suffering.

     

    Please don't listen to people like LEO. they are totally clueless.

    From what I have seen there are at least 2 genuinely members on this forum who are liberated and ended suffering completely, never to arise again.

    Self Realization is very rare. so most who claim that and say they still suffering... ARE NOT DONE!.

    Be careful and good luck on your path.

  2. Posted · Edited by Blissout

    6 minutes ago, Preetom said:

    You're still putting the body-mind machine way up the pedestal. If you've read ancient texts, you know that mind itself is a subtle body made out of subtle elements. Just like your physical body will feel pain if a knife is stuck in your tummy even if your Enlightened over 9000!; the mind and emotions have it's own vulnerability as well. No body-mind is ever infallible and invulnerable.

    Yes there are even some whacked out case like the Buddhist Tibetian monk who burnt himself alive while sitting perfectly in meditation posture without moving an inch as a silent protest during Chinese invasion. But these are altered states of Consciousness/brain functions/Siddhis; they have nothing to do with self-realization. 

    I watched a documentary about a little kid whose pain related motor responses don't work. He absolutely feels no physical pain. He may have knife cut on his back and bleed for 2 hours and die but yet not know that there is an injury; which makes this condition so dangerous. Would you say this kid is the most Enlightened master? No!

    Similarly, mind is a body as well with it's own vulnerabilities and limits. Of course if we acknowledge body-mind for discussion's sake.

    You are taking about physical pain. doesn't matter how liberated you are, anyone will feel pain of injury.

    The whole point is. self realization is the end of suffering. no more painful feelings.

    Sure the emotions do go on, but the mental pain is completely absent. there is no lack or gain for the realized as he is always in peace.

    Ramana screamed from pain when he had cancer. but his mental suffering was completely absent.

  3. Posted · Edited by Blissout

    5 minutes ago, Preetom said:

    Did I ever say self-realization is NOT the end of suffering?

    It IS end of suffering. In fact, so end of suffering that you might cry for daughter diagnosed with cancer and YET not suffer.

    You have some very naive and fantastical notions about Enlightenment; especially bringing in how body-mind should or should not react; as if Enlightenment is for the body-mind.

    No body-mind ever got Enlightened. It's like you're trying to measure the temperature of the Sun but you declare that the Sun is cold today just because it's a rainy day lol

    You should have spoken more clearly then.

    Notions such as "there is no one to get liberated". "body-mind does not get liberated". are useless and only add more confusions.

    Liberated persons can claim and say "I am enlightened and all my suffering is gone forever and ever".

    Someone who is liberated however, fear and anxiety won't arise ever again, nor the physical symptoms associated with it.

    Now the question is for OP is if it is so for him?

    Like I said a bit more than one year ago he said the complete opposite.

     

  4. Posted · Edited by Blissout

    5 minutes ago, Preetom said:

    Have you even clicked the play button and heard the line? -_-

    ''Occasionally an old reaction, emotional or mental, happens in the mind. But it is at once noticed and discarded. After all, as long as one is burdened with a personality, one is exposed to it's idiosyncrasies and habits'' 

     

    Yes I did. I know this video.

    This line doesn't reject the fact that self realization is the end suffering.

    PS: Also Nisargadatta had cancer, he said himself that he doesn't suffering and is in peace and bliss.

  6. Posted

    Just now, Preetom said:

    A psychopath or an Alzheimer patient may also forget about his/her daughter's cancer or not give a fuck because that's how their psyche is wired. The dad could snort drugs and forget all this shit and live in perpetual 'mind numbing peace'

    The true master would cry for his daughter, 'suffer' along with her all the way, mourn with the family; YET not be deluded by this play for once. That would be the true test of Enlightenment. 

    You don't know what you are talking about because you don't know what realizing your true nature means.

    You still have a spiritual ego. your ego is getting a hold of you.

    You probably don't meditate to realize your true nature and be in a state of permanent peace bliss.

    You enjoy suffering like most people. talk a lot. do so little to end it.

  7. Posted · Edited by Blissout

    1 minute ago, Preetom said:

    @Blissout

    It's the attitude that you're holding right now that leads to fanatical cult following.

    With this attitude, you start glorifying that 'ONE GURU' who is the PERFECT; the GOD HIMSELF descent in human flesh. Imposing perfection on all levels and chasing that mirage for the rest of your life.

    We all know how those stories end up usually... 9_9

    Every body-mind has good days and bad days, ups and downs, stillness and chaos; just like virtually every element of nature goes through this wheel.

     

    Man please stop. you are confused. are you even listening to yourself?

    If you met Nisargadatta he would throw you out for being so conceptual.

    Follow his advice and meditate on the IAM

     

  8. Posted

    33 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

    @Blissout I asked him what would be your experience if someone stabbed you. He said mind would be screaming. But true I is uneffected....

    Any unenlightened person could say the same thing.

    Self Realized people would still feel and scream from physical pain like injury. but the mental psychological suffering is gone.

    So if a person who is liberated and his daughter has cancer. there won't be ruminating and suffering over it. the peace of mind will be always present and nothing will ever affect it.

     

    However like I said, the OP isn't liberated, unless something in his state changed since last time I asked him questions.

    Again, people should read the ancient text and listen to people who are truly liberated.

  9. Posted · Edited by Blissout

    14 minutes ago, Preetom said:

    @Blissout

    You really got a super fantasized version of Enlightenment.

    If this is a strict parameter, then may as well just commit suicide and leave behind the dead insentient body. That flesh doll won't have ANY emotional or psychological reaction whatsoever. That would be ENLIGHTENMENT. YAY!! THE FLESH DOLL GOT ENLIGHTENED! CONGRATULATIONS!! :D 

    You are fantasizing about using a software, an app or any device without EVER running into a bug or crash here and there. 

    Realize that body and mind are machines. And they are so interdependent on basically every element of it's surrounding which is really infinite amount of parameters. There cannot be THE PERFECT body and mind. All manifestations are inherently limited and operates in cyclical up-down curves according to the laws of nature.

    The core of Enlightenment is seeing that this imperfection of body-mind has nothing to do with me. Enlightenment can't make the body-mind perfect. But sure you can try various strategies and self-help to optimize this machine and there is nothing wrong with that.

     

    Dude, you are stuck in mind concepts.

    You don't even know what self realization is.

    For your own sake, do some research before spouting nonsense.

    Thanks.

     

    PS: I suggest reading some Ramana and Nisargadatta. both of them are self realized and ended suffering.

    STOP bringing your own definition of enlightenment here.

  10. Posted · Edited by Blissout

    Well I really hope for you that you are liberated.

    Because the ones that are liberated I personally know about ended their suffering COMPLETELY.

    Which means, if a very beloved person died, they won't suffer from any anxiety and depression. they still have a peace of mind. unaffected. IF they know they are going to die by tommorow by cancer, FEAR is completely absent.

     

    IF it is not like this for you, which it probably isn't because again, long time I asked you about that and you said anxiety and future worries GO ON. you made it look like that the ones who claim to be liberated and ended suffering completely are lying. but did you think maybe you are in the "wrong"?

    THEN you are not liberated!

    You might have a nice permanent shift, but still got work to do.

     

    I would suggest reading the ancient texts as well.

  13. Posted · Edited by Blissout

    So many stupid comments.

    Meditation leads to pure awareness which leads to self realization = the end of suffering and living in peace and bliss all eternity.

    Seriously, do the people of this forum really don't have understanding what it is to realize one's true nature?

    I advice to read the ancient text than forming your own opinion what liberation is and isn't.

     

  22. Posted · Edited by Blissout

    Winterknight,

    I remember you from 1-2 years ago.

    Back then when I asked you claimed to be liberated and when I asked you if you can still suffer, anxiety ,future worries. you said yes.

    Are you saying to me the shift back then wasn't final, and now it is and you can't ever suffer from those things anymore?

     

    Self realization, moksha, nirvana, liberation, enlightenment... attained that is THE END OF SUFFERING COMPLETELY.

     

    If you still experience psycholgical mental suffering in anyway, YOU are not enlightened!