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That is Orange level thinking ? Sometimes Orange tools come in handy ? . Other times green tools, other times Yellow. Sometimes an integration. . .

I’ve blacked multiple times on psychedelics. It can be disorienting and unsetting when regaining consciousness. Yet, for me, they are not like you describe. They are not like an alcohol blackout. Psychedelics are post-rational and beyond ego - being in control and rational is dissolved whether it is a “good” or “bad” trip. In the sub ego death zone, I have experienced anxiety and fear of harm impulses. I’ve learned that is a construct of my ego to avoid surrender. That which lies beyond the ego has no interest in causing harm to me or others.

I speak from a humanist view.

@graded24 Welcome to the forum! There are plenty of people here interested in learning more about quantum mechanics and metaphysics. It’d be cool to start a mega-thread. Your post is sooo awesome. I need some time to contemplate it and will return with questions.

@7thLetter Immaturity and insecurity

@FredFred Great questions! I’ve thought about this myself. Does quantum phenomena apply at the macro level? We are begging to realize it may at the molecular level. Quuantum biology has recently begun to emerge. Exciting times!

You are assuming the egoic delusional state is less delusional than the psychedelic delusional state.

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Mu!

I would imagine scuba diving is more dangerous than psychedelics.

Studies have consistently shown that psychedelics are amoung the least dangerous substances to the user and to others. Alcohol is amoung the most dangerous, An example of one such study below. In general, people should be far more concerned about alcohol consumption than psychedelic consumption. Furthermore, clinical studies are consistently showing statistically-significant positive effects for psychedelic therapy. Regarding relative experience: most people that do an Ayahuasca retreat think and feel it was the most profound spuritual experience of their lives. Of course, precautions should be taken when introducing psychedelics into one’s spiritual paractice - yet percautions should also be taken when one adding yoga or running into one’s spiritual practice. Regarding my direct experience: I have drank alcohol over 50 times, I have run over 50 marathons and I have tripped over 50 times. I would put the danger level of psychedelics closer to the dangers of marathon running than alcohol consumption.

IME, spiritual practice + psychedelics has led to more progress in two years than 20 years of spiritual practice without psychedelics. I’m curious about your direct experience with using psychedelics for spirituality.

Sounds like a good trip in which you entered a nondual state. Psychedelics can be a powerful spiritual tool and can be difficult to integrate. Regarding dosage: tolerance skyrockets the first day. Although you only did 20ug and didn’t feel anything, it knocked the 2nd day effective dose down to around 110ug.

I’d do 100ug.

Depends on your intention. 100ug is a standard dose for novices.

I like Sakura’s chakra control

For me, that type of energy often boils down to subconscious insecurities.

Nice report! It sounds like a profound trip with ego death and rebirth. I’ve had similiar blackout periods during peaks. I get bumned out because it feels like I missed something. Yet, awareness while coming down is really insightful into egoic structure, empathy and oneness.

@MM1988 This gets to the heart of choice. As you said, sometimes thoughts just seem to appear from nowhere. Yet other times there seems to be a “chooser” in control. I’ve done meditation sessions in which I look for a “chooser”. I haven’t found one. Also consider: if brain activity scans could identify your thoughts before you were aware of them, would that influence your view?

@Joseph Maynor I general, I’m getting a sense of how people *should* behave. A sense of rules to act the “right” way. That’s just what is arising in me. You may not intend it that way, yet I can see how someone would be impacted that way.

I know you are very introspective and do a lot of self inquiry. I’m curious: from where do these *shoulds* arise? Are these *shoulds* objective and universal?

@Misagh From one perspective, spirituality is like fluency in a language. I’m a native English speaker and it’s pretty obvious to me that I’m fluent in English. Moreover, I’m fluent in “proper” English. The assumption that my form of English is “right” was a barrier to exploring deeper levels of English. If I’m already fluent in the “proper” form of English, then other perspectives of English are incorrect and don’t apply to me. Challenging and letting go of this belief opened up a whole new world of experience with English. I’ve traveled to many countries and have been exposed to various dialects and forms of English that I never knew existed. My favorite is a Kriol English spoken in the villages of Belize. It is sooo beautiful. It flows like music. You may be fluent in a form of spirituality similiar to how you are fluent in a form of English. If you want to stay within your form of spirituality, fine. Just like it’s fine to stay with one’s form of English. Some people fluent in a form of English have no interest in learning another form - that’s great for them. Other people want to explore various forms - that’s great for them. Just consider that each of us may not be fluent in all forms of spirituality - just like no one is fluent in all forms of English. When someone presents themself as *My form of English is the only form of English and it applies to everyone*, they may appear naive to someone fluent in another form of English. This is just the one perspective - it’s not the entirely true. Yet neither is any other perspective. You will likely get varios perspectives that may be helpful.

That’s a good point. My job security allows me to pursue spirituality without stress. It’s easy for me to say all we want is in the moment, because I have an easy life now. Regarding success: I earn an average salary in the U.S. More important to me was job autonomy, security and time off. I’m liw stress and have a lit of time fir spirituality. Yet what is “success” depends on the person.

Yes, Wiber is stage Yellow. It is a very high level. But it is much easier to claim Yellow super status online than it is to claim a UFC belt.

A couple years ago, I had the same question. I was debating wether to grow my own shrooms or go with 4-Aco-Dmt. I read a good amount of discussion on a few forums - looking for people who had experience with both. In the end, it seemed like differences reported were mostly subjective and that the two are very closely related. I decided on 4-aco for the convenience. It’s worked great for me. There are many different research chemicals with moderately different effects. For me, a variety of psychedelics have broadened the direct experience