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@Maya_0 I’ve had similar appear. A different way of sensing and perceiving. The dissolution of the recurring self thought story opened up a lot of space for new stuff to appear. I was no longer in “la-la” land in my head all the time worrying and trying to figure shit out. I became more present in Now. Then I started noticing a lot of stuff happening Now that I never noticed before - including new ways to sense my surroundings. Occasionally, it can get intense and feel odd - usually in social situations. Several times it became overwhelming and I barely held on. A couple times, I’ve had to remove myself from the social situation - yet this is not always possible. It’s somewhat similar to heightened sensitivity while on a psychedelic.

@Zeus You may be highly sensitive to this realm/frequency. I’ve had communication with beings while my sensitivity was heightened on psychedelics. Like communicating with a spirit guide. I can’t yet turn it on yet without psyches. It’s usually weaker. Or it hits me hard from out of nowhere. At first it was uncomfortable, yet I’ve relaxed into it. I consider them teachers, just in a different form. There are physical teachers, dream teachers and energetic teachers. Each form of teacher has value, yet it doesn’t all resonate with me. Just like not all of Mooji’s or Tolle’s stuff resonates, some of the mystical teacher stuff doesn’t resonate. Currently, I’ve got one spirit showing me some type of energetic locating phenomenon. I’m really curious, yet don’t know if it’s simply imagination or real at this point.

@How to be wise You are missing points that Emerald, Leo and I have been trying to show you - that you have an immature understanding of absolute and relative. Absolute is not the cessation of thoughts and the disappearance of relative. Reduced thinking will likely help to relax one’s own mind-body. Yet even without thoughts, there is still existence. Thoughts are the tip of the iceberg. Spend some time in thoughtless mind states and see for yourself how much existence there is.

Great. So I just won’t think. That way all the pain and harm in the world won’t exist! I will live on my meditation cushion in a blissful refuge to escape the world. Previously, I used thought stories to escape and try to make myself feel better, yet this sounds sooo much better. Just don’t think and nothing will exist. I can escape into a blissful no-thought refuge in my world within a cave. Thoughts are the tip of the iceberg. It goes much much deeper. Reality isn’t dependent on thoughts. Thoughts are within reality. Spend an hour each day in a thoughtless state and see for yourself.

Thoughts are a tiny portion of the deconstruction process. There is much deeper to go. Going prior to thoughts is the very beginning. If there was a two hour movie showing construction from nothing to everything, thoughts would appear 1hr: 59min into the movie. It’s not even close to the start.

@Emerald ??

I did not say the work was being motivated by fear or guilt. As long as I don’t think about it, no work even needs to be done! By your logic, as long as I don’t think about world hunger it doesn’t exist. Why feel fear or guilt? I’m going to cure world hunger tonight by watching a movie and not thinking about it! All those starving kids in Africa can thank me later! I’m happy and all those kids have full bellies!! ?

My guess is that it insulates a person from the consequences of the political views they identify with.

@Anderz Does that justify Trump’s practice of detaining immigrant children in cages? Do two wrongs make a right? Do the separated caged children suffer less? . . . Or does it serve to insulate a person and their political views they are attached to and identify with?

If I don’t think about people starving in the world, then it doesn’t exist, right? Sounds like a comfortable and straightforward solution to end wold hunger. One can kick back, have a beer and watch Game of Thrones. Problem solved! ?

@cetus56 I like it. ?? Leo did a blog entry a while back of a world that existed only of stories. To let go of the story was to let go of one’s existence. . . At least that’s how I remember it.

That is not absolute nothing. Removing a thought and considering that as nothing is not even close. It would be like removing a nail out of a wall and believing you’ve completely deconstructed all the buildings in the world.

I create reality. That is a deeply nuanced statement. I’ve spent years contemplating this area and integrating direct experience. And I’ve barely scratched the surface. I’ve found that having underlying assumptions of each of those words will lead to surface level, ambiguous answers within conceptualizations and thought stories. The mind will go round and round in circles like a dog chasing it’s own tail. Who/what is “I”? What is “creation”? What is “reality”? These are great self inquiry questions that can lead to direct experience. Thinking, analyzing and trying to figure it out may help set the table, yet it’s not gonna put meat in the table. This is a realm of deep inquiry, concentration and observation. Also, psychedelics can help dissolve the mind’s assumptions and habitual thought patterns.

There are 40 trillion cells in your body. Which one of them is Shaun?

@Cepzeu Are these lucid dreams? Last year I spent a few months training to lucid dream and couldn’t quite do it.

@Aldo It’s not a direct linear progression like that. It’s not like one day you graduate from Orange and receive an official diploma of Greenness. It’s more like moving to Chile and trying to learn Spanish. There will be times it feels like you are making progress, times when it feels like you are making no progress and times when it seems like you are regressing backwards. Yet over time, you learn Spanish and become fluent. You have embodied it and can speak the language now. You won’t forget it.

A nice interview on DMT and personal transformation to be shown on ESPN. Personally, I think the interviewer spent too much time in Mike’s personal story, rather than awakening to the actuality of reality. It sounds like Mike “went there” based on the way he described ego death and being nothing. Nonetheless, I think it’s a great outreach to the mainstream. I think a lot of viewers will be impressed with Mike’s personal transformation and may pause to think “Mike was a troubled mess and now looks so content and peaceful. What’s the name of that stuff he smoked, again?”. These types of clips showing the potential of psychedelics is helpful toward evolving the social consciousness.

That’s a limitation created by the mind. That is: if we were all god, then we should be conscious of each other’s thoughts and experiences. Therefore, we cannot all be god. . . You’ve set up an ultimatum for God. I.e. God should be a certain way I made up in my head. There are all sorts of limiting thought stories I could create. If we were all god, then I should be able to speak Chinese right now. If we are all god, I should be able to communicate telepathically. If we are all god, then. . . and on and on. . . All limiting thoughts of the Infinite.

I’d say the subjective human experience of intuition is much closer to a feeling than thoughts. For me, relaxing the thinking mind and Being can allow for awareness of a sense, of an appearance. It’s inter-connected with feelings and I woildn’t say it is a feeling or it is not a feeling. In turn, it’s also inter-connected to thoughts. Yet immersion into thoughts can become static noise (as can immersion into feelings). There is no word I can think of to describe. What appears in my mind is “spontaneous wisdom, spontaneous knowing”. This captures some of the essence, yet it’s not quite right, because it’s not jus a “knowledge” thing. It’s more holistic and expansive. It’s an element of Beingness that I’m also exploring, observing and developing. ?

Nice retreat and report. It looks like a lot of embodiment occurred. Exploration, observation and direct experience is so important. ❤️ ?

A person is a mixture of elements along various lines of development. For example, a person can be a mixture of Orange and Yellow along the cognitive line, yet their Orange framework might be a weight on development and we might say they are “centered” in Orange. Along the emotional line of development, that same person may be a mixture of Orange and Green. As well, the expression of a developmental level will not always look the same as it is expressed through a given personality. For example, someone might show aspects of Turqoise, yet it may appear to be “quirky”, while Turqoise appear mystical while expressed through another personality. One could say there are maturity levels within a SD developmental level. There are lots of videos that poke fun at immature expressions of Green spirituality.

This is just my impression: to me, it sounds like direct experience of a detached observer combined with a lot of mental distractions. Plus, a lot of thought stories of who I am, what the problem is and uncertainty of what the solution is. There seems to be a back-and-forth between disidentification and identification. What I’ve found is that when I I get immersed into an expanded timeline, the sense of groundlessness and discomfort can increase. I like the image of Now being a vertical line and the construct of time (past and present) being on a horizontal line. Much of the seeking energy and discomfort I experience Now is related to stories along the horizontal timeline. Often, the further I go out, the more discomfort arises. The horizontal timeline/storyline is groundless. The story is constantly changing. My preferences, my goals, my friends, beliefs, feelings - is fluid - it’s not a grounded within the timeline. The story is constantly getting updated and changing. Personally, I’ve found the further out I go in the timeline, the more groundless it gets. Being immersed in today feels more grounded than being immersed in a lifetime. For example, “My whole life, I’ve been disorganized and unproductive. I’ve also got ADHD and I’ll never be able to find a lifetime career and live a meaningful, successful life”. That is waaay far out in the timeline and would lead to a lot of distress in my mind and body. It would feel overwhelming. There are times when I explore a lot in groundlessness and it becomes too much. My mind and body tell me to slow tf down, rest, integrate and stabilize. In regards to PD, sometimes my mind and body has a hundred different fragments of realizations and aspects of reality popping up all over the place. Rather than make it more complicated, sometimes it’s helpful to simplify and deconstruct. I would listen to what my mind and body is trying to communicate. If it is trying to communicate we are waaay off balance into groundlessness, I would get in touch with that. Rather than getting immersed in disorganized thought stories, I would try to listen to the wisdom of the mind and body. Perhaps the body wants a sense of routine and structure. Perhaps a daily schedule. Perhaps the mind and body wants to take a break from consuming nonduality ideas and spend a bit of integrating. Perhaps the mind and body wants a short term goal to work toward. This can give a sense stability. For example, training for a 10k race or starting a 30 day yoga series. This type of structure, routine and short term goals can help recondition the mind and body. I would also spend some time contemplating each day, without spiraling down into the rabbit hole. Perhaps spend some time developing awareness of patterns of thinking/feeling that arise in the mind and body. Observe the nature of these patterns and the desire to change - without going down a storytelling rabbit hole. Or perhaps consider building attention and focus skills. Just some ideas arising in my mind. Perhaps some may be useful, perhaps not. ?

How about “There are perspectives within reality”? Humans have a tendency to create a grounded, objective, external, universal reality. It can offer a sense of stability to the mind-body - yet it is untenable.

I haven’t imagined it like that before. I now imagine that the interpretation of a subjective human experience could be limited to their pre-conceived assumptions of material existence. Immaterial is still integrated with material, yet kinda filtered out in the perception / contextualization of the human mind. For example, I am a physical being distinct from other physical objects like that chair over there. And my physical hand got bruised when it was struck by a physical hammer. This seems quite obvious on the surface. It seems to get murky when we discuss feelings. If I asked someone if a car was material, they would look at me like I’m crazy and say “of course”. Yet if I asked them if the experience of a feeling is material, they would likely pause and be stumped for a bit. To stay within their material framework of existence, they may respond with something like “Well I guess feelings are material - they are hormones and neurotransmitters and stuff like that”. Yet that wouldn’t be a very satisfying answer since there is something deeper they are catching wind of. . . Just some musing floating through my mind. . .

Absolute Freedom has no conditions. It is Absolute. No, it is one component of a much more expansive theory.