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Yeah I agree that that is creepy. But if you don't drink, then not drinking in an environment where people drink is actually high integrity haha. But no, jokes aside, you are right in some sense that a big difference in your level of drunkenness with your end-of-the-day companion is creepy. But as long as they can consent then its fine. I'm not sure there is such a thing as legal rape, I could not find a definition with a google search, I'm not sure what you mean. If a person is drunk enough to where they are inebriated and can't consent and a sexual act happens, then yes that is rape. regarding screening, Leo mentions it heaps. But I imagine the point of screening would not come up frequently in an online forum topic about picking up chicks. You have to understand that people asking such questions are young guys with next to no sexual experience. Long term compatibility is not even on their radar, they just need their needs met, and pickup is how guys who are not socialised properly do it. It's not their fault, per se. It's the society we grow up in, where we expect guys to lead and know what to do, when we don't even bother teaching them in school. A sick society breeds sick people.

The only specific example you used is what Leo said. The one you quoted in the first post. There is nothing he said that showed he goes around preying on drunk girls - in fact he specifically mentions that he doesn't like drunk girls. You don't mention any other specific examples in this thread. What's wrong with gong to nightclubs to practice game? That's literally what nightclubs are for. If by example you meant the general vibe of the forum, then unfortunately you come to the realisation that without going out and gaming for a bit and realising it's not very high consciousness, your consciousness doesn't grow. You can't upload your high consciousness into someone else, you can only guide them to fuck it up and learn from their own mistakes.

I mean.... its a bit of a stretch to go from meeting people while sober and having casual sex to pumping and dumping by horny sober wolves. Again, you make it out like men's desire to have sex is somehow evil, whereas women who have sex are victims of men's horniness. But I agree with you that pumping and dumping without care is not a very high consciousness behaviour because of the hurt it causes. Obviously I have not read every topic on this forum but I assure you that those who define "high value men" as those who go around pumping and dumping without care are a vocal minority.

Most people have terrible "long-term compatibility", don't forget that women are chimps too and have their own problems, just like men. Yeah I agree with you that boasting about those things is not very high value/high integrity. Boasting comes from low self-esteem. There is value is mentioning it to further a discussion or accentuate a point or relay and experience. Well.... women fall for douchebags. If you define "high value man" by how many women he sleeps with then yeah, they are likely to be a douchebag. But you can define "high value man" in many ways e.g. does he contribute to his community, does he have a higher purpose, does he add value to society. A man who is truly high value is rare. Out of 100 guys, 2% are going to be very confident with attracting women and only 0.01% of those guys are actually going to be wholesome, considerate, high consciousness etc. most of those 2% will be confident, edgy, and dickish. In my experience.

From what you wrote, it seems you have some judgements about sex. People are free to have consensual sex and people enjoy having sex. There is also a difference between being drunk and having a drink or two. A drink can loosen someone up and break down shyness, but you are still in control. But someone who is shitfaced is gonna be stumbling around and vomiting everywhere - not someone you'd want to have sex with, unless you were a sexual predator to begin with. Plus, we are all chimps lol, sex is fun and we want to have sex. You are being a white knight by espousing how everyone needs to connect to their higher values and have integrity and be gentlemanly when courting the opposite sex. I may be wrong, because I'm just taking what you wrote here at face value, but happy to discuss.

Yeah that's fucked up. But just to be clear, electroconvulsive therapy and euthanasia and two different things.

I'll just add my 2 cents as someone in the medical field, that electroconvulsive therapy is a very effective and widespread treatment for drug-resistant depression. It is not shocking and frying the brain, like portrayed in movies. It is a form of passing current through different parts to induce a small seizure. This can 'reset' the brain and lead to the release of neurotransmitters that may be missing in depression. From patients I have talked to, it helps them lead near-normal lives.

I've been with a girl for 6 or so months. We like each other a lot but decided not to rush to anything and stay open. I saw some other girls in the first month, but no one else after that Now I'm at the stage where I've spent some time with this girl (we live together, flatmates) and we both like each other. We've been open but other than the girls in the first month, neither I nor her have seen other people. We've both never done it before and I guess we just wanted to try it out. My preference would be that to move forward in the relationship I would like to be monogamous. I tend to put energy into a relationship and try to lift both myself and the other person up. I personally don't like the idea of my girlfriend sleeping with other guys. That's just my preference. And I feel like at this stage our relationship has progressed to more than just fooling around. I feel like I should bring this up with her. I'm open to whatever she wants for herself, but my position is that unless it's monogamous, then I don't want to progress the relationship forward. I don't have the time or desire to manage multiple relationships and if she doesn't want to be committed I'm happy to stay where we are at or move apart. A part of me feels that I'm being insecure, I've had problems with dating in the past and she is definitely the best I've had. But at the same time, a part of me is much more confident than I was before and I feel like this is a boundary I want to assert - I want to be intimate with one person and I want to be treated the same way. Also, I'm at a stage of self acceptance and confidence to where I am willing to walk away if something doesn't suit me. I've been codependent in the past and I've learned from my mistakes. TLDR in an open relationship but not really acting on it. Wanting to develop depth with one girl rather than breadth with multiple. Am considering that sleeping around is less fulfilling than building depth and intimacy with one person. Thoughts? Ideas? I'm interested to hear people's perspectives

Thank you everyone for your replies. These have been very helpful and given me some food for thought. To clear up some confusion, we both had the discussion for open relationship maybe one month into having started sleeping with each other. Prior to that we were very good friends and flatted together, but I was in a previous relationship which ended 2 months before I started sleeping with this girl. By open relationship we meant dating each other, but in case we slept with someone else it wouldn't be a big deal. We both agreed on it together in order not to rush into anything, both of us have had previous relationships. We have not discussed the "open" aspect of our relationship since 1 month of dating. Currently we are at around month 7. We hang out frequently and spend almost every night together, but have vibrant lives outside of the relationship, we both have our friend circles etc. The question for me comes up because our relationship has been growing, we've got to know each other more, and support each other as a bf and gf would. This has happened over time. Initially I saw our relationship as casual, but time has passed and we have grown closer. Of course we fight sometimes but we communicate and get over it. Overall it's positive. Now, I question our open status because I would not be this close or emotionally open to someone who I was in an open relationship with. In an open relationship I would maybe see the girl a couple times a week and limit the amount of times I hung out with her, and focus on my work, and or seeing others. That is where my cognitive dissonance comes in. I like her, but to be able to be more intimate with her, I could only do that in a monogamous relationship. She may disagree and want to stay open, which is fine with me, but I would see her less and pay less attention to her (invest less energy in the relationhsip). That's fine with me as I can date other girls or walk away if I decide. But if she wants to keep things going the way they are, i.e. seeing each other every day, being initmate and going on dates, having deep companionship, she has to know that I don't want to do that unless we are commited to each other. I think I'll bring it up and talk with her because we haven't had that discussion since month 1. There are no ultimatums here, I am well aware how that is a controlling and insecure move. I appreciate her and have no desire to control her. If she doesn't want the same as I, that's totally fine.

@NoSelfSelf haha ok. I see why you said that ?. I agree with you if we had just been randoms who started dating and I was only dating her.

@NoSelfSelf well you can say it, or not. Obviously I can't articulate every minor detail in a short, succinct post so anything you say will be speaking to the limited picture I presented. I'm not afraid to read your opinion open-mindedly and take it on board. I don't see a need for sarcastic commentary, especially from a Mod. What does that add to the discussion?

Possibly. I'm happy with open relationships if it's just a FWB thing, but not so when it gets more serious. That's my dilemma. I'm not deluded in thinking she is some one-of-a-kind goddess and I'll be broken without her. I like her, sure, and I like her more than other girls I've dated regarding personality/value matching, but everyone has their flaws. Please share your thoughts. I'm open to criticism/advice. I'm only 24 and relationships are not an area of great experience for me. In fact lots of pain, hence my asking. I agree I may be more insecure about it than I wrote.

@Leo Gura deets? Interested

+1 to YT premium, I forgot what its like to watch ads. You get YT music as well. In reply to OP. I get the same cult-like feeling about mindvalley. Waaay too gimmicky, and just feels wrong.

@justfortoday thank you for the post ?. Could you please expand on your concept of time running backwards but we experience it in reverse? I watched the video but I'm not sure I understand.

@FlyingLotus Thank you so much! Great work!

This is a high calorie drink they prescribe for patients in hospital who can't eat because of medical issues or are failing to meet their caloric requirements. It's has plenty of refined nutrients specifically to boost caloric uptake. It's not ideal to have long term, especially if you don't need the calories. A balanced diet is better. Also you require phosphate in your diet, it's an incredibly important nutrient. @Michael569 I'm not sure why you're talking about minimising intake.

Seems like you're dabbling a bit. Have an awakening or two and then you will naturally go back to doing 'normie' things. At least that's my experience. Once I awakened, I went back to doing normie stuff after a month or two. It goes full circle. It's like I got what I came for. And no longer needed it. I focus on stage orange stuff now cause that's where I'm at in life. But I also know it's all a game and I just enjoy all the good and the 'bad' that I experience every day. Also, after awakening, I pretty much stopped spiritual practices and watching 'spiritual' actualized videos for about a year. Cause I got what they were pointing to.

@Leo Gura do you think Tyler is a good role model for PUA? He seems to have resolved some of his shadows he had in his earlier PUA days.

There is no one way, and there is no rush to get anywhere. Pursue what feels genuine to you at this moment. Everyone's journey is different, and that's OK. Also realize there are more high consciousness ways to pursue women. Sexuality, relationships, and connecting with others can be done in healthy and affirming ways. Red pill and pickup culture do have some toxic elements to them so be careful no to jump on the victimhood bandwagon. I think The Natural Lifestyles portray pickup in a very healthy and spiritual way. Keep in mind that in the end, God is all. Including the ego and the devil. There is no need to renounce anything (but you will only understand this once you've attempted the spiritual journey and renounced everything hehe, so go ahead and do it, it must be done for that insight). All is love. I remember someone saying: if you can't find god in a strip club, you don't know what god is. "if you are fully conscious of your actions and the reality behind everything, there's no problem, right?" Ultimately, yes. But that's a big "if". You can be told that, but its only through the spiritual journey that you come to understand and own that insight. This is by design. All I can tell you is that you cannot lose, and you are loved no matter what. This is a big novel/movie/video game, all for your enjoyment.

@Karmadhi It will be difficult in practice to focus on two things at once. Pursuing enlightenment requires dedication, because distractions will greatly slow down the process. And you can do it in reverse. I have done it to an extent. I focussed on spirituality seriously for about 4 years while I was studying in university. This resulted in my awakening. Although there are many facets to it, awakening to yourself as God/Love/Your True Nature is a huge step. You can keep pursuing different facets but an awakening to Truth is a significant one in my opinion. In my experience, once you realise your true nature and your true reason for being here, you just go and play and enjoy existence. Thanks to Leo, I was able to get to that point. I'm currently 24. I still pursue career, wealth, relationships and a "good" life. But deep down I know this is all a dream. I am also aware that at the time of my "physical" death I will melt into an infinite void of love, so I am no longer scared of death. Obviously there is still the issue of embodying the insights I have, but that's what life is all about, and I look forward to it.

I've had this peculiar experience over the last year or so after my awakening. I have realised an ability to communicate with an aspect of myself that appears higher than the day-to-day little self. You could call it God or the universe or whatever. It feels like I am communicating with Source, but at the same time I realise it as myself, which is expected. The thing that makes me distinguish this voice from my day-to-day self is that this voice communicates from the highest place of love, healing, and truth. I sometimes talk with it when I am in a peaceful state, but truthfully I can access it at any time. It is very similar to the voice from Conversations with God by Neal Donald Walshe. In fact, it is the same "being" i.e. myself, but I recognise it as another aspect of me. I did not recognise it as such when I read the books - the realisation came much later that it is the same "God". It's kind of like having a split personality disorder, but it took spiritual work to recognise it for what it is. I assume that previously I just thought is was myself (which it ultimately is), but now a distinction has been made between it and my 'egoic' day-to-day self. I believe anyone can access such conversations too, because it's already there, but just requires recognition of what "it" is. However, that is just my assumption to be honest. If you are too entangled in ego it may be more difficult. I thought I'd make this post in case anyone was interested or wanted to ask questions that I could ask "it" or something like that. I'll look back occasionally and give some answers if people post. All for a bit of fun

@Fadl If you want to pass your interview, then simply don't go to it

God cheekily leaves God hanging, but then gives God a fist bump and they both melt in a warm glow of loving energy.