Joseph Maynor

That is fair. I got tired and didn't have the energy to continue this discussion. I look at it like this. We all agree that there's an emotion in direct experience that we would call anger. I would challenge the assumption that people don't know how to distinguish anger. The only remaining question is what causes the anger or where does the feeling arise. The common assumption I'm challenging is that anger arises solely from identification with ego. I think anger is a guidance signal that comes from Consciousness or the Divine or whatever you want to call it. So, yes sometimes anger comes from ego but sometimes not. This is what I wanted to say.

My broader claim is that emotion doesn't arise from ego alone. There's cognition in emotion that comes from beyond the ego. Anger is just a species of feeling which doesn't always arise in ego alone. This is why we get angry when we're not aligned with Truth, Love, Beauty, or Wisdom. I still stand by my earlier thesis that criticism is preceded by anger. The reason I'm pointing this out is there seems be a pole-measuring contest in spirituality as to who shows the least amount of anger, and I don't think is the test. It's good for relationship, business, and getting along. But even in business you need to be angry at yourself sometimes if you need to improve in certain ways. So the thesis that anger is prima facie wrong or misguided I find false.

I don't think I'm charged. I'm actually tired and getting ready for bed. Good night.

In what way is my worldview regarding emotions / feelings unrefined?

You said you definitely disagree with me and now you're denying disagreement. I don't want to start a conflict here but this is what I'm referring to when I mention denying anger. Minimizing conflict while engaging in it. I get it, it's important to get along. I'm all for that, but nobody does that 100%.

I don't feel like I want to argue about this anymore.

I do. I would rather not, but I do think he points out a lot about how power works.

This is the standard line, you articulated it well.

The reality is that people express anger in very passive aggressive ways or even aggressive ways. Once you see this you can't unsee it. To deny anger is present in your life I think is delusional. See I'm getting at the crux of the issue here and it's not being seen, which I already anticipated. I know this drill, I've had this conversation many times before. There's a desire to deny anger. I would suggest becoming directly aware of your anger more. But this is not going to resonate with people who want to pretend they are above anger. Anger is real in every person. How they deny their anger or try to conceal it is a different matter, If you know someone long enough you can forecast their anger. And your anger too, and my anger. This is not just about pointing the finger outward. You have to accept your own anger and not see it as bad necessarily. Don't try to pretend you have no anger. This is not going to float well with spiritual people, but I want to stay honest and true and I'm open to discussion. Tell me where I'm wrong again please.

The reason I ask is because emotions are already on shaky ground in spiritual enlightenment discussions. For me to even say emotions go beyond ego is already going to be unpopular. So this is an uphill battle for me. It's not really a battle, but it could easily devolve into one, which I'm trying to avoid.

Are you open to having a conversation about this? I don't want to insist if it's a touchy subject.

I disagree. Criticism always follows from anger. We might disagree here. I didn't say criticism is the only source of anger. I hope not.

Absolute Love is Divine Feeling. This is just a pointer. You have to find this for yourself. But you asked me, so that's my pointer.

Nobody behaves this way.

I'll frame it like this, show me someone who never criticizes anything. That's someone truly without anger. And that is very rare.

Yeah we need another deconstructing deconstructing.

This is the game. Ready, play.

To counter you here what I find is a denial of ego that is most revealing. This is the archetype of the faker revealed.

It's best to take this with a grain of salt so to speak.

I would say this would be the wrong approach. This is way too theoretical and nobody will integrate this.

I've had this debate many times already. If this feels right to you, I would say keep on keeping on with it.

This just shows me you don't know what Love is. This is common. People who know Truth don't necessarily know Love.

This is not Love.

I'm trying not to be now. Have at it.

Okay.