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All your down is projecting your own lack of introspection and deluding yourself. You’re the only one your fooling. I’d put money down you haven’t read Wilber’s books. Hell, I’d even bet you didn’t even listen to the interview. Even if you have though, so long as you cling to your nondual elitist fantasies and beliefs (and what you’re regurgitating are beliefs and fantasies. Not going to play coy with your nonsense) you’re not in a position to learn anything. Empty your cup.

Does this include emotional mastery and being up to par in spiral dynamics development so I’m not some stage blue deeply enlightened guy? Siddhis?

@David Hammond your ignorance and arrogance is nauseating

No problem man!

Thanks man. Trying to reassure myself of that. I’ve got a lot of work to do on myself. It’ll be a good opportunity to move out, live on my own (wherever that is... still need to work on that lol), etc. I do want to invest in one consciousness workshop or sometbing where I can encounter in person a modern sage/mystic/master. Ralston really inspires me beyond the domain of just enlightenment and I’ve reached out to him before so I really want to make that my first sort of intro, study under him, ask questions, and of course, get what I am. The rest I’d want to invest into something that can help clarify more and more my into becoming more clear on my life purpose as it’s still incredibly vague. Values strengths are pretty solid and clear but the impact is still vague. I also want to learn more practical stuff like money management and stuff and lastly... ego development. I really do have a weak ego and I know that’s something that I need to work on. I personally don’t have much interest in pickup and stuff. This acid trip kinda wiped most of the last remnants of that cold autistic way of relating to people. I really want to fully go through Green now and finally starting working towards Yellow. With all that said there is fear. Like I said, my self-esteem from integrity, to discipline, to self-acceptance, to self-love, self-trust, responsibility, etc. is truly my weakest point right now. I really am afraid of failing (that’s a whole hornets nest of what I mean by that) so this will be a process for sure. It’s in solving and conquering that alone though that I think will be a huge boost to my self-esteem.

The first thing I thought of...

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Thanks man ❤️

Thanks! Glad it did too (sort of Lol)

@Serotoninluv thanks man ❤️

@Anirban657 yes and no. Yes it can be communicated and has been communicated but as far as to the point where you get it? No. God Nothingness Infinity I AM Love Emptiness Creation Being All Powerful Infinite Intelligence The Creator All synonymous as far as I’m concerned. That does nothing for you though as understanding goes. Anything other than direct experience falls short of the mark.

Alright I’ll bite but... to what degree of awakening??...

Understand also that Ralston does have certain siddhis (he just may not call it that). For example: he’s described in the past where he’s able to feel into a person’s body. He also has explained how he’d know exactly what the person wanted to do and was about to do before they even did it (correlary I imagine to the above point).

We are brothers ?

I thought you’d never ask... Actually stop and listen to what he’s actually saying... Try to actually grasp what he’s actually trying to communicate and is suggesting here... The tricky part with Ralston is that he’s so clear that people don’t really grasp what he’s saying. It falls on deaf ears.

Are you talking about embodiment and understanding or understanding alone? The thing that blows my mind is that he did it living in the US, having a job, going to Cal and living here in the SF Bay Area where I live lol. I think what gets to me most about his videos is that he’ll say something separate from just enlightenment and I’m shocked l, literally shocked no one in the background is asking “how do I do that?!?!” What he suggests is possible to do is so mind boggling that it literally makes me question what’s possible to do and to learn and so on and the fact that I won’t hear anyone having their mindblown is mind blowing to me me lol One thing I find refreshing that I think @Leo Gura does point out that I wish was just admitted more is that these people are often exceptions in terms of how quick they get it, extrodinary levels of discipline and focus, and also having an upbringing where they didn’t have that much trauma. Not that it’s an excuse but that talent among individuals does exist and that spirituality is no exception.

@Leo Gura who are some masters today you think show this in their work? What do you mean when you say “autistic”? In terms of teachings are referring to something like a sort of Zen approach where you just sit for hours contemplating? Do you feel that “cold” way is inferior since they tend to exclude aspects like Love, passion, etc.?

I remember a few weeks ago I was in this really random altered state (I don’t know what triggered it) and I remember walking along a bike path and I was kinda meditating naturally and I was started looking at the walls I was passing and the ground beneath me and then I had to huddle over by the wall with my hands on my knees because I realized everything is psychedelic. “We” are walking in an infinite fractal constantly (as Shinzen young would say) expanding and contracting. Theres no such thing as “not psychedelic”. That was such a mindfuck I felt I was losing my mind... and then I realized what losing my mind really meant... A truly humbling realization and insight that is.

In this interview they touch on: Human Development is just as important as Spiritual Development Zen Devilry among spiritual masters Integral understanding towards spirituality and why psychology and spirituality are both separate branches of development but also intersect (I disagree with how he thinks it should be addressed but nonetheless important) & people who deal with trauma on the spiritual path Embodiment is where the bulk of the work is, not just going after “experience” The realities of spiritual giftedness + where a lot of the issues are with people being blocked to “spiritual abilities” I think this is a very sobering interview between Gabor Mate and Adyashanti, particularly for a lot of people on the forum who just play the nondual-keyboard warriors. I really appreciate Adyashanti being very down to earth in this interview as I think it’s a discussion that needs to be had more with spiritual teachers who are pretty well known, if not very well known on social media. The main point I felt a little bugged by is his idea that someone whose truly suffering from psychological issues and trauma that is heavy into a spiritual path needs to simply redirected towards a psychotherapist and so on as “that’s not their domain of expertise.” Though I understand and empathize with where they’re coming from, I think its a point that just isn’t valid enough to just let that be the solution. A lot of people get into because they’re suffering so much and because they can see that this does deal with the root issues through certain “supplementary practices” like being honest, surrendering to love, etc. Spiritual teachers are still in the business of helping people become free of suffering. So to say “that’s not my expertise” I think is a bit of a cop out. Spirituality is going to have to go integral and utilize sorts of practices that help heal psychological issues... to a point! I’m not suggesting spiritual teachers are in the business of making people not jump off a bridge or helping people with schizophrenia and that if you’re in that kinda of state/condition, just go to Sadhguru and have him give you shaktipat by Mt. Kailash. I am saying though that this is something that’s going to need to be addressed at one point or another as far as I’m concerned. Ken Wilber, spiritual programs like Integral Zen acknowledges (and many others that just don’t get much credit or aren’t that well known), etc.

@Serotoninluv overall we do agree. I think it’s a really big thing that’s missing. Some of these teachers who’ve worked on themselves deeply and now radiate unconditional indiscriminate love and also self-mastery and freedom from suffering, these people do radiate something “God-like”. Regardless of your degree of suffering or not really suffering that much at all in life, this person can be magnetic. So when someone whose suffering from crippling suffering and is really trying to maybe love themselves and can’t, people who are trying to sit through meditation without incurring some past trauma or get over their low self-worth, etc. those kinda of people who have that “god-like” (not to say all spiritual teachers are st that point but it makes for a good example) level of self-mastery can become icons to those people and almost invevitably be a huge influence to them. To shoo them away because that ain’t there domain I think really is a disservice to those other people. Now, again, don’t take this as being black and white. I’m not in some fantasy where I expect spiritual teachers to now play the role of like Tony Robbins or whoever. Obviously, there are people who are so stuck in the mind and suffering that, no matter what you do or say to them, they will not comply, they might just play more victim ego games, etc. Nonetheless, I don’t think that’s an excuse. I’ve gone to many teachers and on the other end many of previous therapists (and also psychiatrists, past counselors, etc.) here where I live in San Francisco and man... I cannot tell you demoralizing and how inhuman it can feel when you’re constantly turned away because “that’s not my field,” and they can’t talk about it whether it be for legal reasons or whatever. This whole thing legally and in our medical system is really fucked up. Everything is so segregated and split off people just hyper specialize in one narrow niche fucking thing and they’re useless in everything other than that. If I see a psychologist and they only do psychoanalysis, they’re useless when it comes to building self-esteem, etc. Everytbing is so hyper specialized people need to have to like 20 different fucking people. Can you elaborate more on what you mean by this and what you’re referring to? I want to be clear first - I know your intentions are well and then some and can tell you’re speaking from a place of compassion. What you have to understand is (and I’m going to use myself as the example as I feel I’m a good case for it) people are really deeply suffering as a result of their psychological issues, past traumas can lead to crippling low self-esteem. I’m defining self-esteem as Nathaniel Branden does which includes 2 fundamental components: self-efficacy & self-respect. For me, spiritual work is so hard because to do it deeply or even “luke warm” you have to apply daily consistency to your practice. I personally have horrendous self-esteem. I have really low integrity. Some small little hiccup go off in my day (like today - I couldn’t find my house key because I lost my glasses and I’m out of contacts because I’ve been suffering from memory issues since getting off 17 years worth of Adderall and now my short-term memory has been getting worse and worse) that would seem like nothing to the outside person and then I berate myself, become so emotionally unstable because it’s like a justification that symbolizes my own uselessness how I’m going to go nowhere and that I’m a loser and next thing I know 8 later I have suicide ideations. Now, fortunately, thanks to actualized.org I have a frame of reference of what’s actually going on which helps me just get through those really harsh moments where I feel dead inside and have no hope in my life. Not to mention trying to mindful of that frame of reference when my low self-esteem leads to such low levels of insecurity in my own behavior that reflect such selfishnesses even when you know that selfishness is the very that’s hurting me. However, most people don’t even have that frame of reference. Most people don’t have a clue what’s going on. Then they go see a spiritual teacher and make spiritual friends who continually spout their misinterpretations of non-attachment and so forth. Understand that when you get low enough it’s so incredibly hard to turn around... even if you understand the mechanism.

Can this constant spiral assessment of everything just slow down a bit? A certain technique, technology, etc. isn’t always subject to a spiral stage. I can use a knife to butcher people for conquest or I can use it to cut up vegetables to feed my eco-village spiritual community. I’d put money down most of you on this thread and forum haven’t even read any books or taken any courses on Spiral Dyanamics, Ken Wilber, Clare Graves, Don Beck, or have studied developmental schools that much if at all. So stop this constant putting everything into this Spiral Dynamics deception. You can meditate like crazy and it’s being used for Orange/Red/Blue motives and purposes or just be at the stage all together.

Skepticism done right

It’s the equivalent of trying to get enlightened by meditating 2 min a day. Combine consistent psychotherapy work with a good solid consistent spiritual practice and you will get to the source of this shit. You face them a lot quicker. Which is threatening to a lot of people who have psychological issues (some very legitimate due to their own brain) because now they’re taken out of their comfort zone of ‘one day I’ll face my issues and they’ll be resolved’ and then now they have to put their butt on the line and face them. Finding a good practitioner though who can facilitate both of those things is very hard. Maybe look into Shunyamurti from Sat Yoga and do a retreat with him. Give him and email. He responds and he’d be happy to help you out. He’s done a great job as far as my outside perspective goes in combining psychoanalaysis (particularly Lacanian and Kleinian), hypnosis, shamanism, etc. along with nonduality and spiritual practices. He can be of a huge assistance to you if you can come out to a retreat of his.

@Leo Gura one of the things I’ve found in my tests with contemplating pain as it’s occuring is yes the steps you pointed out. What I feel is missed though from what Ramana says and like Ralston has said in his books and in the video above by not making the distinction or thinking that thought is that... the way you dropping it is focusing like a motherfucker JUST on the raw sensation and hold it on that. You feel the sensation more. You feel and concentrate on that sensation so much that pain the emotional parts of pain and what not don’t even arise. Like in concentration when you concentrate so deeply on a candle all there is is the kindle. Distinctions of the bird chirping in the background is dropped, self-activity has subsided significantly, etc. Shinzen Young I think has done a great service in really clearing up this matter when he talks about concentration, clarity, and equanimity.

@Salvijus yes