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I’ll speak as far as my experience goes on this: I 100% agree. I think @winterknight put it well with trying to have the duality and nonduality. But of course, in truth, and for me, still in theory, thats false. For me it’s been a big thing that’s going to take more emotional work to really unglue myself from those needs and desires. Even if you’re doing spiritual work, it’s the ideas of wanting to be some superhuman god-like person that has siddhis, a powerful life purpose, emotional mastery, interpersonal mastery, and enlightenment and what it really is is treating this endeavor as a commodity or a deeper unconscious desire for wanting to be special, or both. I do think going beyond the human brings up natural concerns. Like what about my life purpose? What about what impact I want to have? Will enlightenment devalue and undercut a helpful service I have on a world that still doesn’t exist? Do I work in the world a lot first and then get enlightened so I have something to offer after my enlightenment? For me these are valid concerns and questions that I think we’re just not honest with ourselves and others who are into this stuff. Also of course we’re afraid of the possible Truth to those questions.

I think this video (I know I keep bringing up this same interview series) sums up @winterknight‘s response well (particularly the end): I think @Preetom put it well actually. It takes usually takes more enlightenment experiences (more glimpses) before it really starts to penetrate that all that is, is enlightenment. More glimpses into what self/ego is, what emotions are, what pain is, what mind is, only to become more and more free and conscious of how there’s nothing but The Self or Truth or God or whatever you wanna call it.

As an additional tip on top of @Leo GuraI honestly would say try to become conscious of what fear is directly outside of Psychedelic too. I’m really starting to learn this slowly but surely through body awareness by constantly feeling my body and relaxing it and also realize how much I’m literally “holding on”. Eventually you’ll get to the point where you’re more mindful and present with how much you DO emotions as a compulsive unconscious reaction. You eventually start to grasp that fear and all these other emotions are just unnecessary reactions that you can learn to stop compulsively doing that just gets in the way. I do think psychedelics are helpful though. They teach you to loosen your grip for sure.

@Bryanbrax if this is REALLY how you view the entire domain of athletics than that’s really sad. This video is so mayopic. You can point to ANY domain in human culture and point out the limitation, the chimpery, etc. This isn’t exclusive to sports. Spiritual people, philosophically minded people, etc. are not immune to this. Yes sports can very tribal. So is pretty much any culture. As is the entire human condition. I can show you HIGHLY evolved athletes and sport cultures. Professional ones at that. Youre pointing at the stage of development of modern mainstream athletics. Being an athlete can be tool to inspire yourself and others. It can be one of, if not the highest tool for personal growth and understanding for some. It can be the highest form of self expression for some people. It can be a domain of true genius creativity. It’s a domain where you learn some of the greatest lessons about life. It’s a domain that can teach you great work ethic and build character and self confidence and self esteem. You can build great communities through them. You can connect with the world, and the natural world at that. You can see the grace that comes with being a human being. I’m very critical of how deluded the mainstream sports culture is. So don’t misunderstand me here. However, to say sports is some entire low consciousness thing is just bullshit at the end of the day.

@Charlotte if we talk about thing from the Absolute mind doesn’t exist people don’t exist perspectives don’t exist experience doesnt exist world doesn’t exist “I” doesn’t exist objects don’t exist space doesn’t exist thoughts don’t exist From the relative or dualistic world, the world itself and everything you perceive is mind. Reality is a giant mind from the relative. Absolutely though, none of that actually exists. Existence is illusion. Illusuon is existence. The Absolute nature of existence/illusion is nothing.

How is this related at all to Life Purpose and this forum? There are other forums for these matters.

I really don’t understand why or how we even talk about matters of consciousness, God, existence, etc. I get the importance of the matter but in the end, nobody gets it. Nobody understands. It threatens people. It seems to create more division get people’s panties in a twist. It creates debate. Personally im really struggling to be authentic in my communication with others. How do I just ignore the stuff that I’m learning as a result of this work and simultaneously be honest and thus not have it effect people. I feel like this just creates more conflict and im tired of conflict. This seems to be the tragic part of this work. You come out the forest with gold and it turns to ashes. I can have some inspiring vision of raising the consciousness of mankind for example but what actually happens? Either a bunch of people just get deluded by the teachings, taking it totally for granted, nobody gets it, and you’re persecuted. Keep in mind, I don’t want to paint myself as some innocent victim soul. I do acknowledge I don’t communicate this stuff the most skillfully. Communication skills aren’t my highest gift AT ALL. I just feel like this begs the question though of why not just keep this to yourself? I’m starting to feel like the people who stay quiet are the real intelligent ones.

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Sometimes I look at the comments on your videos or I look at followers of many masters alive today and inside I feel “god I don’t want to be a part of that! I don’t want to indulge this.” My hats off to you and those rare few others who put up with all the flack and those who just end up parroting you (I still fall into sometimes so I’m no exception to this). For me the main thing I need at this point in my life is therapy and healing as better things to do goes.

@Jed Vassallo good but understand that’s not most peoples process. When I say detached I mean detachment and healing from unconscious shame, guilt, projections, etc. and a lot of that really needs to be and can only be addressed not through outer actions but through inner work, often through a facilitator like therapist or something. Attachments are not an outer problem. It’s an inner.

First off, I do appreciate the sentiment. Second, I wouldn’t say everybody understands. Almost nobody understands. Telling for example a family (this is quite noticeably the hardest people to talk about this stuff with as ironic as that is) that everything is Good and for and from Love is NOT something they’re going to want to look into. Lets say you’re in a family that deal with a lot of psychological issues. They are hell heant on believing that these issues are issues in the brain and it’s all chemicals in the brain. They are hell bent on believing the mind and the brain are the same thing. They have an emotional vestige involved because it’s part of their story. Don’t be surprised if not only they do not accept it, but they demonize you for saying this stuff and bring up entire moral arguments and shoot this thing down and yell at you. I certainly wouldn’t call myself and my verbal communications authentic. My written communication is very different for how I verbally interact because I feel a lot safer, it’s always been a medium I can collect myself more and be more clear. I wouldn’t say I’m authentic in my speech and outer actions at all. I just don’t really like talking about it that much on the forum here because people tend use that as a tool to make projections about time because they feel they all of a sudden feel they know me.

The immediate answer is both yes and no. Doesn’t feel like a vow to speak helps either in my own experience. This is such a gross overstatement. If someone has an agitated mind (and a lot of my response is dependent on what you mean when you say “agitated mind”) ,you don’t solve that by “going out and solving earthly matters.” Or I should say, it doesn’t just get solved by solving earthly matters. You go in by dealing with the psychological issues, depending on what they are. A lot of that is done by going and doing heavy psychotherapy. You don’t solve deep subconscious wounds on a cushion meditating 99% of the time. That’s why most people don’t get anywhere with stuff like self-inquiry. Their unconscious issues haven’t been dealt with and those blocks don’t get most effectively dealt with by pretending that you’re detaching yourself from material stuff. Those issues will remain.

NOTE: I AM NOT SAYING LEO IS WRONG NOR FULL OF SHIT. I DO NOT KNOW. IF ITS NOT IN MY OWN EXPERIENCE I DO NOT KNOW. I HAVE NO STAKE OTHER THAN WANTING DIRECTLY EXPERIENCE WHAT IS ACTUALLY TRUE. These questions aren’t directly geared towards @Leo Gura, however some are. I also want to be clear that I do think miracles are totally possible. I think collective healing, levitating, the highest reported siddhis, etc. are definitely a thing. I treat them as separate from enlightenment as you can meet people who have some of these highest siddhis but I certainly wouldn’t call them more enlightened than anyone else. Liberation and enlightenment is a different ball game from altered states and “higher” experiences as far as I’m concerned. The latter is still all relative, however cosmic and “god-like” they seem. The Video Camera Test: This is more of a general question... why is it that when I take a Psychedelic and experience hallucinations that are as unreal and as much an illusion as anything else that exists (which is relative) that if I take out a video camera adhd record myself I don’t see what I saw? What does that say? After all, everything occurs in me subjectively, so why wouldn’t it be consistent? Further, let’s say I was a schizophrenic and I had those imaginary people who “other ordinary people” would tell me isn’t real. However, idealism and relative dualism goes, that technically is real for me because I’m the source of everything that comes into my experiences. But if I take a video camera and film my imaginary friend, would I see him/her/it on the screen? If not, what does that reveal? Leo “Tapping Into Collective Consciousness”: Once again, I want to be clear - I’m not saying Leo is full of shit. I don’t know and I’m merely playing devils advocate since I ordinarily tend to agree with Leo 99% of the time. Leo why is that if you tap into collective consciousness, I or most other people don’t notice anything? If you perform something like this and it doesn’t yield any results at all, can you really still say that you actually did it? Assuming the case that it didn’t yield results (and hey, maybe it did), that’s like saying I closed my eyes and visualized talking to a girl doing pickup and fucked her “in the real world” (don’t get pedantic - you know what I mean) when really I was just sitting at home in my bed going through the notions in my mind’s eye and calling it the real thing. Again, I don’t doubt the existence of such high end miracles. However, if we wanna know if someone can really heal someone, have that person perform the miracle and we’ll see the results. If we wanna see a yogi walk on water, we can go out and watch him walk on water (as we shit our pants). If we read someone’s mind successfully, we can report it. Not that far from science really.

@Bryanbrax no you literally put your hands around your head on your sofa while insights and deep enlightenments rain down and penetrate your being from the heavens until it's time for afternoon tea.

Yeah and I can meet a guy who says he wants truth but really wants based on his own projections is a cry to heal. That is the entire vibe from all of your posts. First off, if you haven't had an enlightenment experience, I don't care what books you've read or what you've heard. It's all irrelevant. You don't know shit. It's all hearsay and nonsense at the end of the day. Second off, pickup is not an American thing. If what you call as a "pickup" is the branch of personal development that grew out of Eben Pagan, sure I guess. But ACTUAL pickup is literally just dudes that go out, talk to girls with the intent of meeting girls, maybe having sex, maybe just making friends, getting into a relationship, etc. But it's going out intentionally to talk to girls. And last I checked... that's been mankind for thousands of years prior to the age of Tinder and online dating. Pickup as normally perceived in personal development is simply just a more deliberate training and being able to do that. The essence of pickup occurs all over the world and always has. The question is, how deliberate is the process If you have a problem with that, that is your personal dogma that I suggest you get over. I suggest you go get some solid psychotherapy and do some gut level healing before you even consider pursuing enlightenment, which, judging by the frequency of your posts, I would guess you're not actually doing. You have gotten plenty of genuine advice on here (this forum as a whole) and the general retort back from you is like that of a little kid who bites the hand that's feeding them. Now if you want to keep screwing yourself over like that, go right ahead. You have this attitude that you're beyond, too mature, for all the other parts of life when really it's the exact opposite. It doesn't matter what you read. It's all nonsense. If you don't take action on what you read, hear, "study" and you get no results, none of it is relevant nor does it even count. It's just more ideas. Whether it's a spiritual matter or not. All I hear when I read your posts as a guy who wants to accept himself and a guy who wants the acceptance of others that he doesn't feel so he doesn't have the self-esteem to do what it is he actually wants and feel whole. Stop biting the hand that's trying to feed you dude.

Follow your bliss, your strengths, and what works for you.

Thanks man. Still appreciate you converting into a brother on the path By the way, after your deep trips, do you feel extremely energetically and emotionally sensitive to your environment hours or the next few days after? After a deep trip, relative to me and my own experiences, I feel so emotionally vulnerable and susceptible to the energy and vibe around me it’s overwhelmingly. Do you find that with you?

I’ve never EVER said on this forum that I’m enlightened nor do I pretend to be. Idk how much more clear I need to be on this. Don’t try and be a smart ass with me. For me I think it’s more of digging this same insight I had regarding this and go a lot deeper with it. I’ve always been onboard since the beginning that the tastes I’ve had, however grand they were, were only tastes and so the assumption I always keep in mind is that I still have A LOT deeper to go. It’s funny how with every massive insight like this goes, the more efficient and open my own epistemology is. I think it is important to note though that this is a function of the relative world goes. I bring up these questions to you really just allow for greater openness and open more blindspots (ignoring the usually parroting chirping that comes along in response to these kinds of posts). I find myself less reliant on outside points of view trust my own direct experience more. However, as far as relative matters go, I’m always want check with certain teachers to keep my openness there. So I’m glad to see you know where I’m coming from. As far as your point, I can’t really give any sort of genuine agreement or disagreement. I’ve had tastes of what you’re talking about but not the degree I imagine you’re talking about.

I just have no interest in debating. And yes it would be nice if they closed it already.

@Natasha @ajasatya @Nahm @cetus56 @Shiva @Charlotte And other mods please close thread.

Good god. Fucking no lol. It actually isn’t and I hope you work on tossing that nonsense lol

Can we close this post. This is turning into another waste of time and is becoming another wasted post

None of my questions were pointing towards a bias of objectivism nor materialism. If that’s how you’re reading it then you misunderstand the questions. Read the whole first post again. I was never asking for proof. Fundamentally there is no reality. Dualistically the mind is reality. The Absolute nature of existence is nothing. No reality. No people. No world. No other. No I. No mind. No experience.

Om Swami, Swami Rama, Sadhguru, The Buddha, Milarepa, Adyashanti, etc. many Unenlightned Tibetan & Indian Tantrics & Occultists, etc. I don’t know what you mean by “material siddhis”. Siddhis are not a material thing. I don’t really care what you can promise. I’ve validated this in my own experience. So your beliefs are irrelevant. Both with myself and other people. Believe what you want. This is such an irrelevant point lol. You can say that about any experience “paranormal” or not. You could have someone levitate in front of large crowd in New York City and plenty of people can and still not believe it. You can have someone literally read your mind and you still dismiss it. You can meet profound clairvoyants as I have who are just ordinary people and others will still disbelieve it.

Except that just isn’t how it is in practice. Not to mention just flat out wrong. You can meet PLENTY of enlightened people who reached siddhis prior to their enlightenment. You can meet plenty of people who are totally liberated but have no siddhis. I have friends who have very profound paranormal abilities and I certainly wouldn’t call them more enlightened than anyone else I see on the streets. Of course in the end, there are no people, world, realty, nor I.