SOUL
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2 hours ago, Russell Parr said:enlightenment is the mental transcendence of egotism
Mental transcendence of egotism is one of the effects from enlightenment but isn't the only one and enlightenment isn't an effect from logical machinations in the mind.
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1 minute ago, Russell Parr said:It could be said that an amoeba has a primitive, simplistic mind, from which its awareness emerges. But now we're playing semantic games. The point which this deviates from is in regards to the role of logic in enlightenment, which is to say, the enlightened mind is a logical mind.
Well, it isn't semantics that an amoeba has a primitive awareness as demonstrated by it's ability to be aware of it's environment and respond to the stimuli in it.
Although, it is semantics to stretch the word "mind" in a way that describes the primitive awareness and response of an amoeba so it fits.
You are using your own definition of the word to justify your own view about enlightenment and you are welcome to do so for your own experience.
To suggest it is a universal truth for everyone is the moment your view and it's definitions cannot stretch to fit.
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6 minutes ago, Russell Parr said:@SOULSure, but it does not have infinite potential. Consciousness is and becomes what it is caused to be and become, nothing more nothing less. The attribute of infinitude can only apply to the Infinite.
It is only limited for yourself by your ideas of it, not for anyone else and certainly your ideas of it doesn't limit consciousness.
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4 minutes ago, Principium Nexus said:It's the void
The void is absolute in it being nothing. It's not consciousness, it's not potential, not time, it's absolute in being devoid.
Infinite potential manifests as consciousness.
Infinite void manifests as space.
Infinite now manifests as time.
The manifest is not the absolute, it's an existential expression of it but it is not it in the absolute state.
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5 minutes ago, Russell Parr said:Interesting. You said that "it could be said that consciousness is the initial form of infinite potential."
Do you believe consciousness to be infinite?
Consciousness can expand to any possible degree of awareness since it is the initial form of potential.
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1 minute ago, Russell Parr said:What exactly is infinite potential? That which is finite cannot produce anything that is infinite. The only thing that has infinite potential is the Infinite itself.
Infinite potential is a state that all is possible and nothing has been determined.
I did not say finite produces infinite, you misunderstand once again.
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5 minutes ago, Russell Parr said:The Infinite is beginningless, so consciousness cannot be the beginning of it.
You misunderstand, I did not say consciousness is the beginning of infinite potential.
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It comes from infinite potential, it could be said that consciousness is the initial form of infinite potential.
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39 minutes ago, Shin said:If you really didn't care, you wouldn't answer 3 times to show us how much you're above it.
Read the god damn book and stop being a pussy.
I simply responded with my experience but gave no opinion either way about it, I didn't think it was a big deal of my not reading and replying on it.
If you value the book then enjoy what you got from it, although what value do you get by projecting stuff onto others because they didn't read it?
It's not fear or uncaring or being above something, it's just a book, I have no opinion of it, I just didn't read it.
if your attitude towards me is an example of what reading this book brings to someone then I surely have no need for it.
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21 minutes ago, Russell Parr said:The mind is not to be transcended, only the ego. You cannot have revelation or awareness without the mind.
You have clearly displayed your own limiting beliefs with this statement but it doesn't apply to anyone except yourself.
Does an amoeba have any awareness? Of course it does, it is a primitive sense of awareness of it's surroundings but it is an awareness nonetheless.
Does it have a mind? No, it doesn't.
This is just one example of awareness without mind.
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@Vanish I do appreciate the sentiment of the book but I have no need to read it.
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@Vanish I am intimately aware of now.
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Revelation is insight that doesn't use logic to acquire it, logic may be used after to examine it but the initial revelation happens when awareness transcends the mind and all it's trappings.
Of course, that insight is revealed within the context of mind even though it isn't the product of it yet the mind will attempt to lay claim to it.
Enlightenment is a function of awareness, not logic and to achieve the the illuminated insights it behooves us to shed the confines of the mind which logic is part of.
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@Shin That's just projection on your part, so this fear you see may be something to examine in your self.
I didn't say i never will, I said I have no intention to, two different things.
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Never read it and have no intention to.
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Developing is a natural process that happens regardless of whether we are aware of it or not but we can attempt to be an active influence in the process or we can let it happen randomly.
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To harm or hurt, which essentially is the inspiration behind concept of evil, has gray areas that are subjectively assessed.
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When pooping outside don't dig the hole in the same spot twice.
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@rrodriguez11 To put it simply, typically people are referring to the awareness part of consciousness that can observe the rest of the consciousness do it's thing.
There is the subconscious, ego, thoughts as well as the emotional impulses and physical senses all of which comprise what is often called the self.
Awareness, which is commonly viewed as distinct and an eternal aspect of consciousness can observe the self and all it's machinations happening.
That is generally what is meant by self observation in spirituality.
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50 minutes ago, Dodoster said:pointing to emptiness
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Y'all blissininnies
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Yea, when I was a kid I called it happy but eventually I grew to understand it as being at peace.
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Seeing someone as an authority is a widespread issue within the enlightenment and spirituality community and it even extends to speakers assuming a role of an authority even if they deny they are.
It also includes the ideas and concepts that often get canonized as "truth", not just a personal truth but a universal truth that is said applies to everyone.
I rarely go into the details about specific ones to dispute because I prefer to not to be contentious on subjective matters and that's what most of spirituality is, it's a personal experience with subjective revelations.
It wouldn't surprise me that there are many who create a stumbling block for themselves from other people's ideas because it may not be reflective of their own experience.
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An accurate understanding of reality and the shedding of delusion are effects from enlightenment that can happen in us, although it is more than just those effects and not a result of them.
One can attempt to logically construct a mental framework, a paradigm, to understand enlightenment and it's effects but that isn't what is enlightenment itself.
Conflating the two as one is what the mind does to justify it's ideas about it and often is the stumbling block to enlightenment.
Enlightenment can happen when the mind gets out of the way of our awareness, the mind cannot understand a process that doesn't include it even if the effects are experienced in the mind.