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@actualized3434 I'm getting off work soon and don't have time for a proper reply, but Self realization and Moksha are different. Many are Self-realized, but few obtain Moksha, unless they have a proper teaching, using a methodology and a qualified teacher. Also, in sanskrit- "The word Aparokshanubhuti is a compound. Paroksha means ‘what is far away.’ When ‘a’ is added it means ‘what is near. In this case it refers to the ‘nearest of the near’, one’s Self. Anubhuti means to realize, to experience. So the word means ‘Self realization.” " However, even teachers who speak English just say, Self realization. No need for the Sankrit word. Moksha is used often, instead of enlightenment, because it means- freedom/liberation.

More to the point is that experience comes and goes, therefore can not be you, pure awareness. Except, that experience is created out of, the substanceless-substance that you are. The "apparent" person can have a zillion epiphanies and not be enlightened. "Self realization" is an experience and that is different from enlightenment. During Self-realization you recognize your true nature, but it's often fleeting and little Self knowledge is gained or is not complete. Except, for a few rare cases, but still takes time to "assimilate" this Self knowedge. Enlightenment (Moksha- liberation/freedom) obtains when Self ignorance (ignorance of one's true nature) is "removed" by Self knowledge and this knowledge is abiding. It is abiding when there is no longer a doubt that you ARE awareness vs being the apparent person you appear to be (which is actually within awareness) and when you've let go of the notion that you are the doer. Self ignorance is hard wired, therefore stubborn to remove and takes as long as it takes. The the removal of Self ignorance causes a "shift in perspective", which ends suffering. Although pains and pleasure persist in the apparent manifest world, do to pure awareness "association" with the "apparent" person.

Oh, if memory serves me right he has been banned from the forum.

Is that a question or a statement.

No offense, but if you have no ego who is writing your post? It can't be pure awareness as it has no mind. It is what gives sentiency to the mind, therefore the ego. You are the witness.

I understood that. I just don't believe him.

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OP, it sounds very "spiritual", but sounds like total rubbish to me. What would leave the body would be what's called the subtle body. If it were to leave in Samadhi a piece of metal wouldn't prevent it. As well as the gross body wouldn't age 20+ yrs because of the subtle body being ejected. Essentially, that's the same as an out of body experience or a NDE.

Recognition and identification with your true nature doesn't make you brain dead. You will still have preferences, likes/dislikes, opinions, ect. It's all a part of the "play". I will not respond again, as I don't want to further derail this thread, more then I have already.

@Prabhaker Do what you want... I do not wish to derail another thread/topic or continue to derail this one. My apologies to the OP. Too many college English classes on citing sources! Lol.

@Nichols Harvey I just saw your post. Yes, you are right I'm sorry.

Yes, it's not you saying it. Yes, it's not your experience. People should know that... Otherwise, you are just inflating your ego, by getting compliments, ect on writings that had nothing to do with you. If you consider Osho your teacher you can use concepts/words similiar to what he has taught you, in your own writings without it being plagiarizism, but when you copy/paste word for word, you have to cite the source.

You know damn well that most on here are westerners. Therefore, what happens in India doesn't apply. Just cite your source, why are you acting like it's rocket science?. .like you are incapable? I'm beginning to think you want to "be" Osho, therefore you have a much bigger ego problem then most westeners do! Very sad indeed. The fact that you keep replying with ridiculous arguments as to why "you" shouldn't have to cite your source like normal folk, leads me to believe you have something wrong with you. If that's the case, I take pity. Continue to pretend you are Osho.....

Again, it's not hard, if you are copy/pasting, then you need to cite the source.

Good, I will.

Please I took enough college English classes to know what you are doing is damn wrong. If you aren't knowledgeable about citing sources, that's your own issue and mistake.

I'm going to call you out, everytime I catch it, so get use to it.

What you're doing is fine...but cite your damn source! It's not hard, really it's not, write Osho at the bottom. See simple.

Ok, it's like if I were to respond to someone with quotes by Ramana Maharshi or Nisargadatta, but passing them off as my own. It's bullshit! It's plagiarizing and it's disrespectfull to the orginal author. Think about it.

Wow dude, seriously?

I think there is a need. As you are trying to take credit for something you didn't write. Cite your source!

This is an Osho piece. Cite your source.

Since the apparent reality is dualistic in nature.....yes.

God (Isvara- In Vedanta) is a personification of the impersonal "dharma field" (the manifest universe). Isvara is the creator-sustainer-destroyer of all of manifestation, which governs the physical, psychological, moral/ethical laws, as well as dishing out cause and effect relating to karma (action). Isvara came into being by a power within pure awareness itself called Maya, which created the illusion or appearance of the phenomenal world.

The video is very good. You can certainly discover your true nature (Self realization) using this video. However, enlightenment (Moksha- liberation) requires the removal of Self ignorance, through Self knowledge. Point being, you will still go back to ego identification after Self realization if Self knowledge isn't "assimilated" (whereby you identify as yourself-awareness, first and the apparent person you appear to be, second) which takes as long as it takes, but one has to have a proper teaching using a methodology, usually, to obtain this knowledge. Unless, Self knowledge is extrapolated from the experience of "Self realization" sufficiently to remove one's ignorance (identification with the little "me). Which was the case for Ramana Maharshi.