Ananta

@Shanmugam Sounds like you suffer from apathy... Pleasure and pain persist after Moksha! Difference is suffering ends. The feeling that you are in some foundational way diminished.

You may have painful emotions if your mom gets hit by a bus tomorrow... Emotions are like thoughts..out of your control and come/go.

Hmm, I think we had this same discussion on the other forum. It went no where on there and I suspect the same here. So, I will not comment further.

That's because they've come full circle and know everything is "the Self"(awareness/consciousness). Therefore, all is one and there is nothing, but themselves. A movie created by them, starring them, that they are watching.

Because we feel off balance, however all these emotions are part of the human existence. Accepting them and not resisting allows them to move on much quicker. That's ego talking. Meaning, ego wants to not feel these things and so will chase objects to feel happy. How many so called enlightened people do you know ..well? You can't count those under a microscope during a Satsang. Emotions come and go, they're not a problem unless the ego grabs a hold of them. Nisargadatta is a prime example, many people have accounted that he was quick to anger, even yell at people, but would turn around a few minutes later and be laughing with them.

Yep, this ^^^ ....lol.

I wrote this in reply to a Vedanta teacher- "So, here are my thoughts, it seems that since the mind is inert and the Self doesn’t have a mind (is not an entity), neither by themselves could be enlightened. Being that the Self is not ignorant of it’s nature and the mind can’t know anything on it’s own. So, it must be the "combination" of mind illumined by awareness, that then is ignorant or Self realized and it’s the mind that benefits from Self realization, however the “benefit” is to realize, it’s really the Self/awareness and it (the mind/body/sense complex) is only an “apparent” manifestation of awareness itself. So, without the combination (mind/awareness), there wouldn’t even be “Self realization” or Moksha at all, as there would be no need for either one." Teachers reply- "You got it"

@Joseph Maynor Don't forget that for all the many people spouting they don't exist. I'm saying, yes, you do exist, as you experience, it's just that it's not "ultimately" real. I've said this countless times on this forum. Also, in another thread I recently told you- The world is illusion Brahman alone is real The world IS Brahman ~Ramana Maharshi

The key word in my sentence was that ...."ultimately"....it's illusion (Mithya). Reason being, Brahman only sees itself, from its perspective nothing is happening. From the "apparent" person's perspective there are indeed "others", objects and a world...they just aren't ultimately real.

@Shanmugam when peeps on here say it's "nothing", I find myself saying. No, it's not "nothing", it's no-thing. Drives me batty..lol.

Good to know.... how many that use the term on this forum know this? ...Dunno?

Lol, here I thought you were going to post some amazing pic of what you perceive as the .."void"...hehe. Seems many on here use Buddhist terms- nothing, void, emptiness. Where I'd say- whole, complete, full, non-dual, attribute-less awareness. Just an observation...

To me it's fullness, but yeah, go for it!

Oh, I wasn't being sarcastic. ..don't misunderstand, I was just agreeing really. Btw, thanks for summing up what you were saying.

Ah, thanks!!

Ya know, in the past, I've tried to tell my patients that before I stick them, but they just don't seem to agree...lol! Haha, I know longer do patient care (I'm in administration now), but still go into their rooms at the hospital to talk with them. Alot better then sticking them with needles.

That's because the knowledge from the experience has not been fully assimilated into your life. This can take years. Basically, you take the knowledge of your true identity and meet every phenomenal moment with that Self-knowledge. It's called Nididhyāsanam.

Oh, it's definitely all in the dream/illusion. I was just making the distinction that Brahman does not think, so can not be part of a self thats schizophrenic, other than to be aware OF it.

Are you playing word games? Did I say Brahman wasn't reality/truth/real? The point was illusion/Mithya is also Brahman, as there is only Brahman. Again, the world is illusion, Brahman alone is real, the world IS Brahman. For discrimination purposes we negate all phenomena as Mithya, but after some time you will recognize that what you negated, is also the Self (capital "S"). All is you, awareness. You chopped wood and carried water prior to Self-realization, you chop wood and carry water after Self-realization.

No biggie, just letting people know, it's not the norm and docs actually usually try to figure out why, because it can potentially get worse with age. They often offer a sleeping aid for people who awaken during the night. Who don't have bladder issues, ect. So, they will have uninterrupted sleep.

No, you don't know about schizophrenia if you think it's the same. The absolute/Brahman/awareness is not thinking, it's devoid of thinking. Thinking happens with awareness. You are aware OF thinking. In schizophrenia, there is thinking/thought/ego and a "seperate" thought process happening simultaneously and/or auditory or visual hallucinations.

As a nurse, I can tell you that if someone says they awake in the middle of the night, they try to find a reason as to why? Bladder issues, ect. As its not the norm.

To me, this is obvious... maybe not to others?

@Shanmugam what are you trying to say? I'd rather hear from you, then this complicated reading...

In Vedanta, none of the yogas pertain to exercise. Karma yoga- "Of the paths to spiritual liberation in Hinduism, karma yoga is the path of unselfish action. It teaches that a spiritual seeker should act according to dharma, without being attached to the fruits or personal consequences." It's giving your actions to Isvara (God) and accepting all results as a gift.