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Just to back up what everyone else is saying: Theres nothing to be gained by doing this, only downsides/risks. You need practice first. You'd be better off waiting a couple years also.

Really? Cant tell if you're being facetious. Not just office workers, theres all kinds of sedentary or barely active jobs, then people just sit around at home. Anyways I think your problem is probably a lot better than the other extreme. Sounds like you need more rest though!

@Girzo DPT does fit the bill based on those two points, but another thing he mentioned is that it's barely known in the RC community, which in my opinion would exclude DPT as it's pretty well known and researched. There was even a hokey-sounding church based around it. It's certainly an interesting chemical, lots of potential and very demanding as you said.

Thanks for typing that all up and sharing it. Alan Watts was a wise one indeed.

@Socrates the trick is to use volumetric dosing, it's too hard to cut tabs accurately that small. That could also partially explain the inconsistency you've been experiencing. It's way easier than it sounds. You just drop the tab in a volume of vodka (or whatever spirit, or distilled water), let it sit (for a long time, like minimum hour) so all the acid all dissolves out. Then you can measure off a fraction of the liquid and you have a very accurate microdose. I use tiny 1mL syringes to get extremely accurate measurements. So for example, I dissolve 100ug of LSD into 10mL of liquid. Now, using my very accurate syringe, I can measure off 0.5mL of the liquid to dose 5ug of LSD.

I'm beginning to suspect How to be wise is just taking the piss on here... it's sort of entertaining I guess.

@Socrates I wonder if you're dosing too high? That sounds way too high to me personally. I've found my sweet spot for microdosing at around 3-6ug. 25ug is no microdose, for most people anyways, more like a mini-dose - really useful in it's own right, but I can see how that would give you inconsistent results, cause you're trippin mang edit: oh yeah, should be safe to combo microdosing with nootropics. Might not synergize well, but shouldn't be unsafe.

I don't think it will be any of those 4-sub tryptamines. I think it will be a 5-sub or a base tryptamine. Won't be 5-MeO-MiPT because that one is extremely well-researched. 5-MeO-MET 5-MeO-MALT 5-MeO-DPT MET EPT or MPT is my short list. Would be cool if it's 5-MeO-DPT, that one represents the intersection of two very hard core psychedelics. edit: I'm adding 5-MeO-MPT ( <- that's -MPT not -MiPT) to my list because it's super obscure and potentially ultra potent, and taking MET off because it's not so obscure at all.

I don't think it will be either of those.

It might be 5-MeO-MALT Whatever it is, he says he "discovered it. I assume he doesn't mean he discovered it in the scientific sense, like the way Shulgin discovered so many molecules, but that he found some very rare compound on the internet. Or maybe he'll surprise us with some secret chem lab and synthetic chemistry skillz! edit: I meant 5-MeO-MET ...

I believe oxalate should behave more or less like the HCl rather than like the freebase, but you should confirm that with someone more up on their chemistry/pharma. I've never heard of it in oxalate, I presume it's become available again, in this form? Yes, @Serotoninluv please expand on that micro report with dose and ROA at least, if possible!

Yes of course! I mean fundamentally everything is spirituality innit? We're apes that are meant to move, and the body and mind are completely intertwined. I enjoy the presence of being that is crucial to performance in sports, and I see a big connection to meditation. It's an easier kind of meditation than doing something like sitting meditation, because the object is very easy to focus on. I find it great value in practicing formal meditation, because it's so damn hard, and sports are a good way to exercise that focus and open-ness in the real world. Ultimately, everything in life is spiritual. ...but I must admit this isn't the perspective of my normal monkey-mind!

At first thought, what an enticing idea! And then, the question, what if it becomes dogma? "Elders" appearing at your door asking if you've experienced the Light of 5-MeO-DMT. Legions of people dutifully imbibing the sacrament each sunday, yet missing the point each time... a kind of blasé generic psychedelic routine. And then, back to the idea that, what if many many more people could have a direct experience of unconditioned reality? It's hard to imagine that this wouldn't have a beneficial impact on society, humanity. But, how many people in the world are actually ready for such an experience? Maybe it's exactly the same set as the people who are already accessing 5-MeO-DMT right now? Are the gatekeepers keeping it special, wild, and only in the hands of those who will really benefit from it? I have to conclude that occult is never a good policy. It's a good thing that ought to be open and shared. In the next couple of decades we should see more and more open and legitimized centres for psychedelic spirituality, healing, self-inquiry, growth. Guides, shamans, facilitators, coaches. Openness around psychedelic use, research, it's like night and day compared to a decade ago. If this continues to grow carefully and responsibly, we should see psychedelics blossom into the mainstream, and hopefully begin the process of catalyzing the next evolutionary step for humanity. Let's see how this turns out in a few hundred years. RemindMe! 400 years

Science of Enlightenment by Shinzen Young is really good.

Alan Watts pointed out how it's funny that everyone talks to themselves in their own heads, but as soon as someone does it out loud we all think they're crazy.

It's a stretch to call putting pressure on the government a form of violence, you have to put it into perspective. It's less violent than eating lettuce. Humanity is currently unleashing the biggest extinction event since meteorites collided with the planet, however many millions of years ago. If you sit back impotently and allow the fires to keep burning, you are being permissive of a great deal of violence that's being committed on the ecosphere, and ultimately, ourselves.

Absolutely. 100%. This is what we need, hand in hand external and internal. My only point is to be vigilant because there is a message that floats around that we only need to fix ourselves. This message is convenient to big power. We also need to fix the systems, or we're fucked. Nice quote.

Men consume more trucks, motorbikes, quads, snowmobiles, jetskis, entertainment systems, meat, food, beer... Kind of absurd to point dude...

This is why we need systems-level solutions. You're probably in the top 1% of educated and aware of this issue, but you find yourself in a circumstance where you're burning fossil fuel at all ends. And then there's industry, which is only answerable to profit. What hope is there that 7.5 billion of us, and all of the collective industries that we depend on, will become so goodly and moral on an individual basis that the problem will be solved? The idea that the problem is in individuals' hands is a narrative that allows the big polluters and profit interests to keep operating in their known modes, keep churning profit. Nothing will change if we swallow the idea that the problem lies with you and me as individuals. We still need to make individual change, but we also need to restructure how the whole global economy works.

@Consilience @Erlend K I think we can all agree that reducing meat and dairy consumption are a huge part of the solution, whatever the exact numbers are. @BuddhaTree @Solace The solution does require a great deal of internal change and upgrade to our individual modes of being. However, I argue that if we only focus on the individual, we will loose. If we play that way, and work only on ourselves, we create a greater and greater incentive for the less caring and more ruthless, who will always be around, to profit from the free lunch of the commons. To create a simpler thought experiment, to illustrate what I mean, let's look at elephants. If we say that the only way to save elephants is for us all to stop buying ivory, and send out love, and we ignore regulating and actively protecting the elephants from poachers, it only drives down the price of ivory, and the less scrupulous will be able to buy more of it for cheaper, the poachers have an easier time slaying elephants and bringing ivory to their customers. We need systems-level solutions. We need to force our institutions, industries, governments to make the systems level changes. And we need to upgrade ourselves too, of course.

@Serotoninluv I love this attitude, couldn't agree more. So many people think their particular way of using (or not using) psychedelics is the only right way.

^ I don't think it's true the meat and dairy are the main drivers of GHGs. But I totally agree that moving to a vegan (or much more vegan) diet is one of the best things you could do for the planet. As a side benefit, it's extremely healthy for your body and a plant-based diet will help you avoid dying (as Dr. whatshisname says), and you can feel better about not causing animals to suffer.

Thank you for bringing this topic up. It's the critical issue of our time, and it ties in deeply with spirituality and actualization. We've been mislead into believing that the solution to climate change and environmental devastation lies in our individual hands. We're taught that if only we could we just do a better job of recycling, riding our bikes more and skipping meat on mondays, that everything will be hunky-dory. Don't get me wrong, individual actions are part of it, extremely important, and commendable. I do all kinds of those things, religiously. However, this is a collective problem and we need high level, collective solutions. That means government, international agreements and regulation. The number one solution to climate change is that we need to push the big institutions, politicians, kicking and screaming, into taxing carbon pollution. We need to end coal. We need to push government to end fossil fuel subsidies, slow down fossil fuel industry expansion, and foster renewables and robust high voltage power grids. De-invest in the fossil fuel industry, invest in renewable energy. Vote for local mass transit. This massive challenge to humanity needs Tier 2 solution and a great deal of progress through the stages for humanity as a whole. I don't know how bad it's going to get before we do make this progression. I think it's possible we won't, we could fail at this.

What?! TWO whole years of work and he STILL isn't fully enlightened? Geesh, unbelievable. I think you know as well as I do that this is a big work, it's not just like popping down to the local college to sign up for an undergrad degree! I'd also like to know if you have any direct experience with psychedelics? It sounds to me like you are speaking out of puritanism and fear. It's excellent that we have different viewpoints on this forum, but we also have to speak honestly out of actual experience whenever possible, and not just speak from ideas that we've garnered from culture at large. With psychedelics in particular there has been a great deal of misinformation, misunderstanding and fear spread around about them, which is unfortunate because they are tremendous tools for change, personal growth and healing. Luckily we're in era where the tides are turning around a bit on this, at a time when we probably need them the most.

If I'm doing seated meditation, the core of it is essentially this: Follow the breath, dwell in the stillness at the end of the exhalation, maintain that stillness on the in, bring it back to the top of the in, exhale, repeat. Like holding a bowl of water, perfectly still. Of course, most of the time I'm carried off in some thought cascade. And then I notice, rein it back in and find a moment or two of peace again. The different techniques have each have a fit so it's worth exploring to observe what fits you best, and to have different tools in your belt.