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@Thought Art Unsure how long you are into this the sooner you can meet it will be better and you'll see if she is a match as well as give the person a chance you might become friends etc. instead. This would be advise from the course from David DeAngelo which is a bit more intellectual/authentic. Chatting forever is a time waste for both of you. I still do this mistake as my text game is not perfect just saying and sharing what I've learned so far.

@modmyth It's a bit funny if you can tolerate / stomach racist humour although I would never call someone that it really is kinda gross, creepy and rapey. Nobody would believe sweet sauerkraut exists. Also that stuff is disgusting to eat imo. I used to get things that are directly related to my phenotype as a guy. Like how can you be black when you are so white. I am more of a chameleon by skin color guys who are latin etc are way darker than me and my father is very dark in skin complexion. While my mother is just normal white in her skin complexion. Speaking as a German/American. Fortunately my dates have not been very stereotypical till now. Yet, I received my fair share of racist assumptions from guys and girls durin high school etc. Sweet Sauerkraut sounds so wrong it's funny yet also just pops weird images in my head especially considering age during that time. I was visting a friend and she brought a friend along she could not believe that I was black thought I was from another country and not U.S citizen. It's a total mystery to people apparently. She never told me that yet my friend did because her reaction to me beign black was totally different. I don't know the issue arises again when you have swedish/americans, thai/germans, croatian/germans, philippine/german friends etc. It's funny if you also have bi-racial friends at least here to make fun of these idiotic assumptions and the level of myopia present.

@Thought Art Paradoxically the right assumption can work I texted one girl because I pretty much knew she was into it if she likes the final fantasy series. We matched although she was quite young we never meet. You can do both most likely the confidence of the message as well as the level of experiences and inner game etc. Vibes through through the message. Reviewing cringe messages after sometime. Helps to refine the message. A girl asked me for my number after I felt so confident that I knew this "type" of person and I called her a serial killer after that she wanted my number. I did not attempt to enter a more of a no-mind state and then write text out of sheer creativity in sort of an autopoetic/self-organizing form. ------ I guess it worked because she texted you back through beign authentic. (my assumption) I feel curiosity is the best way to avoid making assumptions although it might not be the best solution. Just accepting what is sort of.

There are some principles to texting that I am embodying I can type quite fast on my computer so I can send out original messages quite quickly. I've sent a message out to a girl and did not mentoning stuff out of her profile and sometimes they delete me quickly I have a bit of an issue with the sexual notion of things sheerly because of racist treatment and I really really have to chill to sort of calm my anger. So, I subconsciously do not engage in this type of chatting. I basically just want her number and meet up there are some ways to do that, that I am testing without bullshit. Yet, how come some delete me after one message and adding me before. I understand that his can happen although it happens a bit to often so I am unsure I keep thinking how I can make my profile more authentic, yet this takes some time as I truely want to master online game at an specific level. I like sort of the adventure of meeting a stranger through the internet and this has been a theme that goes a bit further back into my past. How did you work around this issue so it happens less frequently? TL;DR: Beign deleted after one message for beign authentic stings a lot how did you work around this issue? I'll sort of tap into social circle and night game as this is the only thing that can work here in combination more effectively. Pros and cons of my profile Pros: Professional pictures Unique profile description No grammatical mistakes as well as spelling erros I review my profile actually A call to action link to a funny clip/music video Promoting her to message me Mystery Ambition Evokes imagination Authentic/Original Speaks to her Crafted to attract the women I want Cons: Not congruent enough I lack travel and adventure pictures currently High competition even I do get matches pictures are just better and I am more authentic Non sexual text game sometimes it happens sometimes not Profile description is not concise enough Not neccesarily better because of lack of pictures social and adventurous pictures, but better profile descriptions -------- I'll create a new profile description tonight so if someone solved that problem in ONLINE DATING, then I'd appreciate if someone found a solution to this issue. As it could be a lot of things. I attract more of the girls that I am interested in now, yet they are further away. Another example 3 girls tell me they are interested in meeting but busy and some just want to meet and nothing happens. I give them my phone number I can ask for theirs as I will most likely do with this one. The point is I invest to much time and I easily become obsessive about an issue. Please no good intention advice I'd rather appreciate it if someone would tell me what works and point it out.

@Yarco Thanks advice is a bit toxic from what I consumed. I agree with the writing part for now. I don't invest that much time into getting nudes. I don't know not my interest. I'd rather meet her. I consumed a lot of advice this not all not helpful I appreciate the effort. Point is not a scarcity mindset. The point is what works technique wise etc. I appreciate that you tell me that it works, because I also believe that it definitely can work.

What services are working for you or what plattforms? Tinder,okCupid,Bumble, Match.com,Lovoo etc. I am curious as to what works. I would do real game in a larger town for now I am sort of getting the hurdle of approaching in public there are many attractive girls in the gym, yet I am also injured so I feel often like shit and just want to get my workout done. I need an operation. Currently, I can basically mainly do online dating and social circle and night game. I'll text some friends for night game and apply Leo's framework this will not always be possible. Since my LP is still a priority. I am still doing a 90 day challenge for 1h online dating when I move to a larger city I will definitely do some game. With a wingman so we have a common goal and I can discuss theory. Going out alone I am a bit tired of doing stuff constantly alone. Maybe if I am an a game OG.

From what I've read through going through dating material Confidence Humour Grooming Style Personality Adventeruous Virtue Bad boy characteristics (good boy turning bad - bad boy turning good) Playfulness Having and beign fully on purpose (divine purpose) Leadership Ambition Knowing what you want and getting it Decisiveness Caretaker qualities having a job, beign financially stable Character overall Cooky and funny humour Beign edgy Intelligent/Witty I am not done learning and applying yet this is a small list there is more.

@itachi uchiha It is recommended in the LP. Just chill the work is not purely about PuA one PuA book was also recommended in the booklist.

Alright... this is from a course I paid money from integral this guy taught fkings presidents so here it goes. This is still my map. No picture. Interest in or has don't ask my why or what I wrote down Consciouness Sexy body Playful Inner goodnes Animals Kind Conscienticous Enjoys staying in love Enjoys my presence Erotic polarity Femninity Adventure/Exploration Smile Spiritual Intuitive Improvement oriented Enjoyable/gentle Unique Clear purpose Hiking/Outdoor stuff Humour Quality time spent together Beautiful face is a human Subtle energy intuition Acceptant Having a deep souls purpose to me That would pratically be the ultimate for me to some degree. Anyway...

I created a love map that shows in detail what kind of girl I want and enjoy for example. Authentic, spiritual, compassionate, open-minded, into outdoors activities, enjoys beign sexual and some other traits. I will not reveal everything my first date hitted the exact spot for my love map. Did not work out unfortunately.

Hey there I just don't really know what to do at this point with the connection issue. The girl I dated now said something similar along the lines of spontaneity and connection is an issue and she had an issue with optimization oriented logic. Which at one point is sheer self-actualization. In my generation sort of all across and still in Gen-Z there generally is a meaning crises we talked written about how that was an issue. As well as she felt that she can't provide honesty and transparency which I find abit odd. As we played this cube game I am very good almost a master already at disambiguating power dynamics as I know how to thanks to Wilber courses and zazen, open monitoring oriented meditations for years now. As well as how we can combine as well as stage theory helped me a lot, yet green is very phony when it regresses back to amber. Yet, I find I have this issue currently with having neglected stage orange aspects of myself and it's important to nuture that drive. I don't know if she is Gen-Z or Gen-Y till now I don't have much success with Gen-Y and I generally feel more like Gen-Z with performance oriented stage orange expressions instead of Gen-Y who sees more of the success part. Anyway, she gave me the feedback she is not into optimization logic, okay uses an app that profits of that sure, okay all good. She tells me she is more spontaneous and does not think to much about it. I agree also that I can become very stiff in social situations because of past experiences and constant bias with racism. My nervous system is very sensitive and I am just unsure what to trust. I don't know if any women reads this it's similar to having a gut response when I feel a certain sense I know most likely what will happen or what kind of emotion is in the whole room. I often feel when I truely would connect I would feel more like her lapdog for instance and get friendzoned and I can't yet seem to strike a balance. I am usually very spontaneous, yet my psychlogist, my last 3 dates. All women tell me that this structure oriented thinking is horrible, the point is it's inevitable. I function better in society it makes me more happy I generally still am very spontaneous and flexible. I just don't bend over backwards as well as I would make time for her I find it weird that I get this feedback as I am the guy who in my friendgroup who usually travelled and visited different places the most am spontaneous as fuck I change direction almost instantly and just explore an area. If I would not have this issue with my leg I would do some free running kind of stuff, it's difficult to nuture my value of playfulness and spontaneity because of my issue with my leg. So, this would be more present as I don't fully feel it currently thanks to the issue of my leg also and this might be a lifetime of an issue. I used to do sprints and just run wild etc. Any feedback to the issue with my dates and them saying I lack spontaneity and flexibillity? Is this more a social thing as I made her laugh and we had fun or is it more emotional or even already at a beign level? What can I do to work on it I attempted as well as possible to connect to her emotions, THEN SHE SHOWS ME DEPTH often I connect instantly then she is gone, gone, gone. I instantly sense depth. I could just hug her and enjoy beign with her she kept biting her lip during the conversation. It was very similar as to with the first girl I dated, yet she had more empathy for negative things. Depth there we are not physical next to each other I can't escalte/show what I feel I might be better of to initiate a meeting in person if I already like her instead of via zoom etc. We could just walk in a park etc. or go for coffee as I like those activities. Any idea as to what the issue is? Is it me? Is it projection? Is it her? Is it both? Is it beign related as she was into Yoga? Was I to serious and not casual? I sometimes have so much fun I forget to ask what she wants in a relationship.

@Salvijus Thanks for the uplifting words! I currently do a metta/loving-kidness oriented meditation for 30 min since this is the most practical approach for my goals and I attend 8-10 retreat days I won't make it 14 unfortunately. I usually did 1h sessions, I'd rather would have done some of that Yoga with her because it was physically oriented and I could train my body for flexibillity and get a feel for that stuff and I can't do it yet if she is not willing. I listen to some Deida in the Gym I can't believe this stuff. I just like improvement and survival I am not willing to live like a monk as I do have material desire even if they are rather small. Even eating proper food etc. It's okay for now I just really looking for feedback here.

@Leo Gura That is a very good idea I can include this when I am done with my thesis and uni stuff and practice it for 2 months or 1 month and contacting a wingman for game that is a very good idea! Also, for day game I really want to observe a good wing first and see how he charms etc. For now I'll go with online dating and social circle and some night game, yet going out here solo is a bit to much the dude I saw on saturday in a bar just passed by my window 1h ago. He will pass by more often. I presume just social circle can work. Also, this phase of my LP will take a lot of time and effort. The new book I've started reading showed how much certain pictures matter etc. and basically it's all pics and some new tipps.

@Leo Gura Basically staying there for day game for one or two days or via online dating? Matching women in bigger cities and dating them there? I currently match the best women 155 miles away. I have also one date now there as this is a very international city. My friend says the same he basically has to drive. Driving there is okay. Also, I like driving. My car is okay, yet not made for long distances. The date is also iffy because she basically is 10/10... I was suprised by the match. @something_else My circle expands now 155 miles I am willing to drive dude 50 miles is a joke logistically I usually plan very well. Also the German Authobahn if I'd had a better car I could drive there definitely faster. Although I agree 100% it is a pain in the ass although my last date appreciated the effort, yet she just had to lead because I don't know every point in the city to go to even with good planning. I am not willing to make this a research project and distill every single bar/club option I see just walking through a city you'll find some good stuff and google usually helps. We went to a good restaurant as this was a 7h date. I was also very hungry since we went sightseeing the entire city. She showed me everything I just had no attraction to her because of clothes. I am not joking.

@Leo Gura Allright, I'll inform myself and get more into physical escalation. As well as do the physical escalation challenge. I doubt there will be a lot of going out and I'll still see what I can do. It would be great to at least have some people to go out with, I am asking. It somehow did not work for me when I see a face reaction I can't really interpret it till now, the last girl was not able to hold eye contact and she told me she had issue with that. So, there was no real way of me telling without more direct experience. I'll just see what I can do at this point. More info would really be good. As well as less demonizing for male energy I feel very guilty and I am currently torn as I can't enact it fully because of injury that I can't fix right now. I just don't know how masculine my energy is since I can't regard most other males that I know as masculine somehow after doing very masculine activities like zazen and weightlifting. I can be very present, yet tbh I can also just forget her in that state. I often feel it's more easy for me when I am in my feminine and everything is flow etc. So, I don't know I really have no freaking clue. @Illusory Self I don't like to give advise based on not having enough direct experience I could give you some common sense stuff, yet you would already know that I presume 100% so I just link this guy and hope he gives a good response! @flowboy

@Matt23 I'll just leave a song I am in a good mood. I'll just leave this here I woud love to converse more about this too since I can be pan/demi, yet I am mainly attracted towards femninity as a sexual essence. Have a good one!

@Illusory Self Sort of since we are in a similar situation. I just continued with the online dating course as recommended by the course. I also have an issue and this one guy inspired me a bit by mentoning to show up as your best self and be your best possible self and to not just be you. Last date I also messed up by not escalating at all. Also, I had 0 sexual attraction for her even though she was pretty I could not believe it that I had 0 attraction for her as I meet her in real life. She wore a unisex jacket that I have at home. Which is just plain bad wardrobe... IMO. From the course and books I have been reading and sort of quality infos I filtered for now initiating some level of touch like holding hands, holdings hands sort of across the table at the first date sounds a bit to romantic and puts . I don't know if this was at a bar as well as a coffe shop, restaurant etc. So I am making assumptions. I presume walking somewhere would be better I chickened out even at that last date so imagine and she was fine with me touching her. I even asked her in some weired way anyway..... The one guy in the course who inspired me today said that approaching women there is nothing else that makes him more excited than approaching women and he just did the online dating stuff to become a better version of himself. Anway, I am not invested into messing up your process. Thanks for posting makes me not feel so alone when girls delete me on apps when I test stuff. I don't even get that much dates. I sort of thought about a facilitating question to initiate touch. @Leo Gura What would for instance be a situation or for instance bet you can make to initiate touch in a high energy state for instance asking smth. stupid such as arm wrestling when at a bar. Dancing at a club obviously or just smth question that would initiate the process of physical escalation. Saying stuff like you have soft lips then brushing her hair away and kissing her. Does this work or is this a figment of my imgination/inspiration right now?

@Matt23 Holy, I did not read everything. Yet, talking with my last date about her gay friend she explained it's still an issue even in a rather progressive region socially somehow. I do think empowerment overall is an issue. My aunt is homosexual and married so I am used to this since my childhood. Sorry that you have to go through this! I enjoy being in company of homsexual people alot 99-100% of the time makes my day! ----- P.S: Posting high usually is not allowed.

@unborn_chicken This dude is a diagnosed malignant and cerebral narcissist or not?

@Leo Gura That is good to know for the great filter. Thank you for feedback and advice!

Hey there I sort of want to make a results post with this online dating stuff I had to redo the challenge because I stopped it after 12 days or so and I am now in day 4. So, far I've matched with 24 girls in 3 months+ and I had only 2 dates. Tomorrow I'll have my third date also virtual. One date was in person. Do you guys have any videos or ressources of how to convince women more consistenly. I've sended gifs and attempted to be humerous and this worked with the 2 dates I'd had it was really odd, I was making all of the mistakes asking to early for a number and they were willing to go out. I don't really know why I was very authentic with one women and that lead to a date I continue to be authentic and this works just sending memes and gifs and asking directly for stuff to create tension. What else worked for you? I only dated 2 girls out of the 24 women I've matched. I deleted one girl and 2 girls deleted me. Additionally the ocassionaly weird stuff. IIRC. There are some more questions, yet for now I am just gathering data and learn about online dating / meeting women. I am using okCupid as a plattform. Most my conversations revolve around their interests and what fascinates the women I ask for a virtual date after 2-3 messages. The ones who have never done it seem the most interested so far. Some prefer to meet in person, in the course I've did apparently the women flew over to this guys house etc. So, if any of you guys for instance made a women drive an hour to meet a man whom she is interested in I'd really like to know how'd you worked that magic. My profile currently is not that good and it takes a lot of effort also in my opinion. TLDR: What worked for you when you convinced matches to meet? Where did you meet?

@Leo Gura I can see the point and I'll remember that. When she replies back it basically means there is some level of interest or not? I can see the stressor with the pictures, unfortunatly this has to wait now I asked a friend he will be taking new pictures with me pretty soon. I'll most likely buy a camera on black friday etc. I checked the day game link for a wingmen the nearest city seems to be 1h30 away which is still somewhat okay. I will text more friends for going out and test test some stuff from a book I bought that seems quiet good, when I am out. Another with the issue of convincing. For instance one girl liked me she writtes me a super long text after I tested some stuff and I asked her smth. that was in major disagreement with my profile. She replies and stops replying after my next reply and I usually ask for a date/number 3-4 messages in exchange. This is sort of what I mean with convincing some seem to be lazy and just want to chat and the attention it's almost impossible to initiate a date with these women. 3 months into dating so still quiet new.

@Vzdoh Thanks! This is good and honest advice I did not try inviting for drinks and coffee. As well as the pics with social life and cheerful personality or hobbies I know that they are important, yet I miss those.

@Leo Gura Same. This is mostly about the results doing things consciously and motivating each other. I am unsure if anyone will even post. Highly doubt.

I feel a bit inspired now I thought about creating a results mega thread for learning game. I am a bit tired feeling like I am one of the few ppl. who tests things out alone and thought this might give people more info into what works and what not. As well as to give some emotional support for people who are new to this as well as to discuss more conscious as well as authentic/original strategy. I am also new to this so shamelessly I am looking for support here and inspiration. Unsure how well this will be received this is not about posting your lay count. If you get laid etc. Great! Also, guys could post what did not work and support each other and review ressources which would contribute to learning game more deeply and draw distinctions how conscious a ressource or video is. I am going to give an example post for what I am currenlty doing. Medium: Online-Dating via okCupid Time frame: 3 months+ Messaging: 20-35 girls a week Matches: 26-30 in total 38 likes currently Received 4 numbers Initiated and went on 3 dates All dates lasted longer 1h+ Using visualization techniques for inner game This just an example you could name a different medium bars and clubs, sports club, a gym, caffee, book club, supermarket, social circle etc. How many girls you approached and numbers received what worked and did not work. Don't post your lay count as I presume this would derail the thread. You can post if you got laid and landed a gf. Yet I presume this opens a different can of worms and an individual thread for personal questions could address the issue more in depth. Ultimately, the goal is to create a support structure for results and to inspire each other and not fluffy life advice exchange without taking action. As well as to find your dream women/girl for a deep intimate relationship.