ValiantSalvatore

@Nilsi I think you are very biased and just act according to culture. As well as I don't think you can contemplate SD with being overly critical and meeting every exact criteria. I dunno maybe do it for a few years. I don't think you understand how shallow Green of a development is to see it. But ... it's quiet common. I am pretty sure you never contemplated TIER1 and TIER2 properly. If Germany would be full Orange I'd be dead and we'd have more centrist republican/libeterian idiots. The biggest idiots we have are people overly woreshipping science. People just seem to equate it with German culture and enjoy it more... Having worked with researchers etc. I think you are beyond blind tbh. I wonder what stories people tell themselves and which people they talk to get to these conclusions. Don't get me wrong a majority is Orange. I don't think you get how a meme even works. If you can't contemplate a symbol being projected even in the real world such as on signs and street posts. I wonder sometimes how long it takes for people to wake up to that reality lol. Seeing a construct at least I am no wanting to continue this negative nancy attitude it does no good imo. This is such a re-hersal to read I am unsure how that reads. Also SD development is independent of what constitutes to the skill and usage of language. That is a poor marker for SD development also again just current contemporary bias. Nothing like this is true in it's whole. Cook-Greuter would agree yet that would only be for construct aware individuals. As they basically crave to express and use their ontology. Maybe I start writing in Hyroglyphics just to display again how simple language is used and what a tool it actually is. It is a lot of UL/LL/Zone 1 and Zone 3 IIRC Zone 5 Zone 7 bias. Depending on how you zoom in and out of the topics. I am sorry I like this technical stuff I don't see many true change Agents in Germany. People just infinitely regress when bad shit happens. I do trust Germans more than you think I just think the body of thought is beyond not good. As people can't even utilize Maslow like wtf.

Thanks for saying that sometimes I find this weird to judge online. As people are prone to personal snipping. Thanks for clarifying!

Yes, because people don't even understand Maslow, how can they apply conscious effort? It's horrible mass psychology what is done with and by people with social media plattforms also the design of such plattforms. That sort of why game changers need to exist yet nobody runs this fuel and realistically at TIER2 jumping jobs, companies and vacations is a very common report, as you are basically a transformation agent. Many people I meet are full Green I sometimes wonder what people truely see. It's common maybe more in northern countries to see a healthy integration of blue and green family structures who are not sucked into "orange". I find Baden-Würtemberg to be a good example of this I also think it's the most conscious state by far in Germany. The entertainment industry on average will most of the time promote consumerism as people desire overly optimistic solutions, so I do think it's a smart strategy as they make it more desireable from Wilber and Beck. Wilber and Susan-Cook-Greuter are generally skeptical they say yeah it could, yet the real sentiment is. If people don't f*** it up. Agree and the bottom up process is lost in decentralized spaces. Overall I do think we are moving I see more tech companies in villages in Germany etc. A lot of modern oranges have a Tier 2 Head and a Tier 1 heart and morality. I do think there is some hope ultimately as many desire the transformation especially spiritual from Green onwards. Techincally spirituality starts at orange and this is where the real challenge is IMO especially in a first world country. Also a more global spirtuality. I just really hope people don't f*** it up. The current cultural backlash because of ressources/security threat etc because of the war is also just a side effect. I do think this is the best time for growth possible. Might be a bit counter-intutive I just hope this finally get's over this stage of humanity and they/we/I/all legit start solving global issues.

He recently said/admitted that Green failed and that the predictions did not play out as they supposed to as Green is seemingly stuck in devlopment. Real green is mostly in houses with their family living a live well-off as well as is highly educated usually in my own experience. Many fancy the Orange/green Green/orange lifestyle of hedonism and consumption many don't really integrate conscious and healthy living so they actually embody a TIER 2 level of emotion, moral and cognitive strength as this fluctuates anyway as nobody is consistently drawing from one strength alone from the sprial. As it's a holoarchy.. I am unsure if you meant me personally as I'd find that weird to be judge be someone random online. Overall I agree and to have fruitful discussion about such topics overall contributes to inspiring action. As it confronts my biggest fear about TIER 2 creation as nobody is really motivated to do it. Many create either their own conscious place/business/counseling or with a partner as well as solve real world probems. It's very difficult to find someone like this I notice this every day when I look at my dating app as well as when I legit date people. The level of energy that is required to maintain such a life style is to much for most. It's almost an inevitability you become a leader. You just have more power at TIER 2 if you want it or not.

SD theory would disagree with you. As they mention cities and countries even at TIER 2 at least in their newest edition. IIRC Switzerland according to their book is TIER 2 and/or at least has the capacity that the so called 10% influence who influence the whole value meme. Although I'd generally say the same to find someone at TIER 2 with a TIER 2 life style requires more co-creation at best than anything as well as I don't think any infrastructure operates streamlined at TIER 2. For example succesfull integration of villages and cities to create networks/hubs for economies locally and globally, especially with transport and interior design of buildings and technology etc. It's pretty bad imo considering also including the enviroment. Similar to the project that failed in Bali IIRC eco/tech cities. Although the habitants ultimately decide it's level of conscious the irony lol.

Agree with this in terms of Norway being Nr1. meet some people from Norway while travelling in south korea who were my age absolutely lovely people. I don't think spirituality is that much present as for example in Sweden, yet I'd mostly likely intuit that Norway is tad more spiritual than Sweden because of how much I had the impression of how they enjoyed nature overall. Generally people who enjoy nature/wildness/planet/gaia are more conscious and enjoyable to be around. I also think Swiss people are pretty chill.

From reading there is no tolerance so apparently and I never did DMT yet I plan to do it. There is no tolerance so you can increase the dose and create a breakthrough experience. As well as repeat the super low dose each day with similar results and effects. I never done DMT till now this is what I read on forums etc. So the effects do not suffer under the influence of tolerance as much as with LSD you can permanently apparently create the same state and re-produce the state/experience, because no tolerance.

https://tripsitter.com/dmt/vape-pens/ https://www.reddit.com/r/DMT/comments/4ut5zw/ecig_dmt_a_comprehensive_guide/ https://www.reddit.com/r/DMT/comments/b7mrfk/the_ultimate_dmt_vaping_thread/ Read this it's better than my comment (https://tripsitter.com/dmt/vape-pens/). I only talk about one device. I am going to buy this one. (Mod/Refill Vape) Here is the device I am going to buy and test. https://www.amazon.de/Rigel-Original-Meshed-nicotine-liquid/dp/B09NRB33ZV/ref=sr_1_3?__mk_de_DE=ÅMÅŽÕÑ&crid=3QMAAIA7UZ75M&keywords=vape%2B3%2Bml%2Btank&qid=1658234653&sprefix=vape%2B3%2Bml%2Btank%2Caps%2C65&sr=8-3&th=1 It has a 3ml tank as I want just larger fillings overall. Although it can leak it might not be the smartest idea to keep the juice in there forever, it depends on the device. 2ml seem to be the recommended use. The introduction of sub-ohm tanks seems to have upped the tank size for most devices and they just seem to burn a lot of stuff and they produce dry hits when the liquid is not touching the threshold for the liquid intake when the tank is to large. So that is the reason they recommend 2ML tanks overall as you can use it faster, re-fill, does not clog as much, and the tank picks up the liquid better because it's not to large. Some devices have in-built automatic re-fill mechanisms tbh everyone seems to play around and look for what works, it's just important to have the basics seemingly. coils below 1ohm yet not to low for e.g 0.15 is to low, 30-40w, 2ml tank, find right temperature to burn, compatabillity of whole device so all parts actually fit. Devices work above 1 ohm with coils many report this, yet apparently it's better for below 1ohm. Sorry to give so much loose information, yet I really can't find the links. I link them when I find them. A U.I that displays temperature I find is also very important for testing in general. I am no expert, yet this leaves room for experimentations as people produce different results with different setups. I also can't find the juicy dmt-nexus threads somehow. Check which device would fit the cartidge with the article. That would ensure compatabillity as there are different types of devices. Some really only utilize cartidges. Yeah that is why I want to make the juice itself as cartidges/tank fillings seem overpriced and extracting the cheapest of the three methods of extracting, making juice with bought dmt, buying cartidges. Extracting is the cheapest and buying the cartidges the most expensive as it seems to be a trend. I found offers even on the clear net relatively fast most from Canada.

I really like some of his stuff and I never seen posts about him as he is also and I don't know fully well in the practical domain of buddhism and meditation with a more no b.s approach IIRC he is very knowledgeable about jhanas. https://www.youtube.com/c/MichaelTaft108/videos https://deconstructingyourself.com/deconstructing-yourself-podcast The podcasts include talks with Daniel Ingram, Culadasa, Shinzen Young, Kenneth Folk and a lot of other people and the YouTube channel as a couple of useful videos and guided meditations. Apparently they also talk about psychedelics.

I see what you mean sometimes more when I am dating and gaining more experience the more polarizing and cocky and funny I am the more women like me I see this mostly as playfulness as I enjoy being a rascal in that sense from time to time and just embodiying the value of playfulness around people if you know what I mean. I also dislike the hypocracy of someone displaying him/herself as saint like emotional creatures it already feels possesive and evil and I know the sainthood figure is often ascribe to what is deemed innocent in nature let's say. The overall unfortunate obstacle is conditioning and the mind as well as just the emotional habit of complaining about this does not mean the complain is not justified! It very well is and can be. The book blue truth from David Deida showed me some conceptual universal truths that shocked me about masculinity and how painful and bitter that process in itself looks, as you have to keep giving your masculine energy basically without expecting anything in return. That is masculine apparently and I'd agree that self-less giving providing without agenda would be the epitome of masculine strength and goodness. Then when going out meeting a girl you like giving her your masculine gift in the sene of deep conscious attention and penetration of awarness, warmth, strength even something more external and simple as protection can be enjoyable to provide that and obviously as a real guy, you'd never expect to get anything from that. It's just the unfullfillment of desire that leads to inner bitterness it's part of the dissolution process. I'd definitely see it as part of growth and feedback as it's a story and I do this all of the time and I am guilty of it too, holding up some fantasy/story/illusion that holds some partial truth and dramatizing it a bit to much. I for example have a similar issue with strength in the sense of that people always equate with me because of my physical apperance being tall and atheltic and dark even though internally I am not as strong as I look. So my dates expect sometimes this super masculine confident guy who'd alpha her on the street when neccessary and I am fine projecting that energy, which again re-inforces the cocky and funny playful phase of the date. So I end up in a lot of fun and laughing without action because legit I enjoy my own entertainment more than beign with her. I dunno I see myself as the price to be won ultimately and she is loosing out. Because I am willing to go to places. Don't let that one girl get to you man! There are so many out there it's amazing what can happen it's way to random and coincidental. As to not see it as your own creation! ' Obviously again I could have made moves etc. Yet I really did not vibe with some girls I've meet and cancled a couple of dates as quality is missing sometimes in smaller places.

Dogs are trained to sniff cocain,weed,hashish and more harder common street drugs in general. They can smell everything apparently if trained! Nobody trains them for psyches apparently. https://doggysaurus.com/can-drug-dogs-smell-mushrooms/ There are dangers involved imo regardless if it's dark net or the clear net. Transporting psyches I don't think is the best idea. I also thought about taking various psyches onto planes as I don't think they would control it and I'd take the risk, I would not advise it and it would also be more for domestic travel. I get controlled a lot so for me it's not clever to do this. It's biased. Although domestically it should be fine. Purpose beign consuming it on a vacation and not bringing back some psychcedelics. Doing it at another country is fine I don't think taking stuff back is a clever idea I heared to many times that stuff went wrong. Especially if it's an international flight I would not do it and make the effort to get it domestically there and take it there and leave it.

While attending micro retreats shinzen holds Q&A's after every 1h30 session in one block of meditation techniques that he teaches in his rigorous programm. He reported IIRC once that he experienced this particulary dream and I am sort of paraphrasing in technicolor and in general from being around integral folks/brain/mindfulness oriented people there is an understanding and integration of the dream state. As far as I've read theory it's for example equated to two permanent stages that precede non-duality as an ultimate stage. Psychic structure stage = ??, gross body? -> psychic state translation ( I don't understand much about this legit from reading) IIRC it's equated with early realizations reaching back to shamans. Stream entry maybe? Dream structure realiztion = REM sleep, dream state, subtle body (energ, prana) -> dream state translation Causal structure realization = deep sleep, casual body (energy, prana) -> casual state translation Non dual state realization = ??, non dual body(energy, prana) -> non dual state translation So basically you can experience in a more expanded sense a dream state experience in multiple structures and states that could be even physically measured ... like the casual state and dream state which will ultimately lead to dream strucuture realization ( which I don't quiet yet understand) and they report this to some manner and degree depending on who asks. Similar to for example tibetian dream yoga which would heavily emphasise a dream structure-stage and it's state experience for translation... I've particpated at times were kriya-yoga and karma yoga guys asked questions about awakening their experience, enlightenmen their current practice and it was a lot about energy body and shinzen basically never showed his. So I am unsure what to say about that. As he definitely hold him self a bit back as the other guys were obviously in very elated states. In terms of talking about energy, energy body distinctions are also very important as this would lead to actively translation/integration of strucute-stage X. Yet also can be a display of mania in my experience as content of the state experiences is personafied and obstruced by the ego and a sort of schizophrenia like mania can develop. I am just saying this is how kriyas tend to be or bangha experiences. Back to the dream state experiences in both structure-stages... there are a lot of reports and talks from IIRC Daniel Ingram, Shinzen should have something, Ken Wilber, Michael W. Taft, Andrew Holocek. Yet it's difficult to find I just remember from random audio snippets like legit sound cloud information from them talking about this as this is very fringe stuff even for them, besides Andrew Holocek as he actively is fully trained in this tradation. For example what they report is: (Including both stages of what constitutes the concept "dream" ) Morals swap over into dream body from gross body (normi body everyone has) Full controll over the dream and it's content to skill level realized Abillity to re-incarnate and how the process looks like (including gender) Superpowers like flying obviously while legit dreaming and sleeping yet full control over these powers fighting like mages ( see Daniel Ingram reports... that dude...) Wickas/Witches/Hexen techniques who also had practices with the subtle body Fights and battles with dream body obviously like not hurting physical body (nobody explicitly said this to me but okay...) Creation at will and choice of content Free will? Randomness inside the dream suddenly being pulled to new worlds/plains etc. Brain wave state correlates theta and delta or overall frequency let's say if you'd include the energy body Beautiful and fantastic visual phenomena Awe Wonder Fun This is a very obvious projection every teacher both Sadghuru and Shinzen would emphazies not blindly following this is a paradox in itself as you have to do something in order to be there. Kriya-Yoga for example has a good principle and concept for this IIRC I am quoting out of a book. The principle is called guru principle there is more but this summarize it's core: "the Guru is within; and, therfore is neither man nor women". They further explain god is the only teacher in that sense yes YOU ARE ALONE. To emphasise I see it similar and they say the exact same thing, yet it's very difficult for people to realize so they project and it's a re-occuring projection pattern. In that sense god/enlightenmen is the ultimate teacher as that is what it's about. Obviously it's not obvious that teachers say this as some really do not IIRC they do (sadghuru and shinzen), can't recall what they ultimately said yet it fits the same frame. You are in that sense ultimately one or the primordial perfection maybe that is a better word. Framing is the issue imo. I dunno thinking about it I am unsure if consciouness can self-reflect as god as it is god. But maybe that is to much thinking. I am certainly not realized lol I way way way off some deep profound realization currently. Also again to summarize the whole theory in a sense in case anyone follows.Everyone can experiene any strucutre and any state it's just different traditions map on to these structure-stages. Like vipassana causal, dzogchen non-dual, dream yoga dream state etc. Then psychedelics are a big question mark as it sort of goes beyond what 3D reality teaches and shows. As well as maps and traditions.

Each vape device you buy has a tank you can fill fundamentally with however the seller specifies it amount of liquid for example a tank has on average 2ml for any vape device, larger ones exist up to 6-8 on amazon. Yet I'd look into it. 2ml to 3ml seems to be adviced when browsing forums about dmt and some reddit. I'd recommend creating the cartiges themselves and even extracting from just researching they are overpriced, yet if it's all you have I would make sure the cartidge fits with the device. Extracting seems to be the most effective process to make a bang for a buck and not get into legal troules as far as I can tell and even if extracting is by far the cheapest method. Not encouraging just stating how it is. 1ml is small is it a 2ml tank filled with 1ml liquid of dmt? That is what my research came up with I am basically in the same spot as you legit today. Yet I will make them myself and not extract.

For an overview of the differences.

@Salvijus Oh yes Kriya seems to go into that direction with astral travel and healing I am unsure what I read IIRC they demphasized some sidhis. I am unsure what is meant with sexual energy I do think any practicinor would simply as it should be channeld towards spirit. I don't want sex cults to erupt at my retreat or people eying each other out and playing lovers. That is not the spirit of any retreat I'd attend that is a festival or event. I have nothing against people having sex on a retreat even if my guru would do it as it's just healthy living. The issue often is the structure of the system itself. Mooji having sex with a bunch of women and teaching I would not mind, yet drama happens. I mean Shinzen even made a video he has nothing against sex as people are super conservative sometimes. Which is fine I would maybe be to juvenile to make a video to explain something so obvious.

@Jodistrict Here you go from the author himself. So much stuff get's lost in context. Yes it's Vipassana and not only Vipasanna. As he system of teaching or his teachings is called Unified Mindfulness which emphasises mahsi style vipassana and also includes other traditions the other importance he stresses even more at higher levels is expansions and contractions and his experiences with creating his style of teaching. https://www.shinzen.org/from-vipassana-to-zen/

@Jodistrict UM is a bit broader to say it's only Vipassana yes that is true yet he categorizes it as a mixture between rinzai zen and vispasanna currently as far as I know. Did not work with him years ago where all of this was still cooking. The documents from him and Wiki explain this IIRC.

@Salvijus Yes and how do they differ to someone not practicing your technique there are similarties. I did kriya yoga and you can compare it to shinzens flow and expansion and contraction technique and add a zen practice and the only thing different would be it's exclusive emphasis on different parts of the chakra system as well as body parts and movements. Mudras, Yandras everything can help it depends. In that sense context and experience matters a lot. issue is it's often not properly conveyed imo. and compared. I am giving my best here I did kriya yoga only for 2 months as it was to rigorous even more than zen. Doing it for 3h a day at the end is to much I liked the practice a lot. You can compare the energetic kriya component of kriya to Shinzen flow and working with flow and energies of the body in sight,sound,touch,space. It has a more borad exclusive emphasis and not and inclusive narrow emphasis which both can be utilized with both techniques IMO. Kriya Yoga has so many. Shinzens fits my highly modern lifestyle more as the wording is very appealing to me and simple as well as complex enough. Kriya Yoga was very technical in it's own sense with working with body movements more, breathing etc. I also had what people would call a kundalini awakening IIRC from doing zen meditation but I never did kundalini meditations or smth. like this. It would help to have more discussions that are based on experience and are sincerely considered without a hateful, spiteful, greedy and or non-serious manner. Dunno what he says about this but I'd rate him above Ingram and Ingram says he is a full arhat as far as I know. I don't think Ingram has an inch of what Shinzen actually has embodied. like not even close maybe like 2% close for him 10%.

@Salvijus Shinzen is definitely above a stream enterer the desire to meditate is gone and other charateristics. You can obviously just do it, yet consciouness is just something different. There is no real technique in that sense this is what I believe it's like hearing stories of WWII where people have realized permant enlightenment non-dualy as they were shocked to death basically and their "ego" is gone. Their level of realization now is legit, yet how do you compare it to others to gain clarity similar to Eckhart Tolle's story for example suddenly seeing white light and entering it is a common description in many paths from muslim I bet to christian etc and is an indication of a casual state experience IIRC. So a christain and a vispasanna practicionars have the same degress of realization through different practices and might use different words. Imo Wilber did a great job making ready to use distinctions here. So even let's say TIER 4 can be easily speculated IMO. I don't know them by heart. Of course the practice matters more. Just having spiritual concepts is useful even when they are not 100% correct and accurate. It helps to have a sense of direction.

To be quiet frank Shinzen is definitely not meditating anymore to any of the standards described here or impression people have. Like did you guys read 0 books? Hope this spirit of truth still remains. This is meant positive lol!

@Salvijus No, there are multiple questions. Also asking open questions leaves for a lot of room for interpretation which is good imo. Their teaching style and technique emphasis creates differnt auras and energies no? Which would be one cause for their difference in energy. In that sense style matters. That is what I explained and I showed commonalties as people focus on differences although there are plenty commonalities. The issue is when you want to compare traditions and techniques. The realizations matter more than the experience so it's actually permanent and they seem to differ between tradtions the experience is the gateway into the realization. Then the issue is what tradition gives me what degree of realization for example vispassana having it limits at casual relaziation of non-form IIRC is the content and context of the realization. Let's take a christain as a prime who practices johns prayer of XYZ technique (IIRC there is some effective christian method with that name) which has an emphasis on loving kindness but reaches non-dual realizations. Now it's clear that one entity is has realization X at stage X with content X because of tradition X. This goes for every tradition/technique/method. I find common language for permanent realizations in higher and lower order is missing to make proper distinctions between realizations and to properly understand for example: "Oh Teacher A is talking about an experience in permanent realization/structure-stage/embodyment stage/ Y. There seems to be a confusion between realizations and experience imo in general. For example for me it would be intersting to see. Sadghuru: Traditions: Vibe: Compassioante Structure-stage level: non-dual Random Person X on Forum: Vibe: Cognitive Structure-stage level: casual state Tradition: Goenka vipassana Most prominent quality: As well as discussion with more conceptual use that is moderated at best by moderators to facillitate what Leo wants to teach in terms of spirituality. For example an arhat IIRC means the person has non-dual realization. So you could use the term arhat to say both Shinzen have arhat levels of awakening as well as Sadghuru meaning they are non-dualy realied. Again the issu is conceptual you can have smaller degress of permanent awakening apparently like the casual state. I am stating there is an issue with wording that could lead to clarification issues. If people would use common or more common spiritual language like arhat, non-dual, god-realization, dream state, casual state, psychic state etc. So there would be less confusion, missunderstanding and unneccessary wars. I hope I brought my points across that common conceptual spiritual terms could be used instead of personalized experience to represent a more accurate picture of the realizations. As you'd be forced to make percise distinctions which many do not want to do. I find it for example confusing to read the questions and than answer to I know guru x he is such a charming and loveable character I'd attend any retreat with him. That is good feedback, yet it does not really serve the purpose of making proper distinctions imo. Maybe I am thinking to far ahead, but I imagined this years ago as this would be very cool, to see a bit more turquioise as turquioise communities are highly conceptual. Something like this a list of concepts and characteristics would be cool that can be associated with spiritual attainments and realizations for example. I do this myself so I know most stuff is already mapped. Reading Leo's list the discussions here I don't think many read books from his list. I won't deny it's technical as hell. So yeah.... @Salvijus I am a guy. I did not know that Salvijus means Salvatore in Italy or italian? I know what Salvatore means to some extent I still like the name just hate the guy.

@Salvijus No it's a name of a friend lol I once liked we are not friends anymore. It's a very common pattern also unfortunately.

I never meet both of them in person as they live to far away I've been following Shinzen for about 6 years approx. now as he was the only one making meditation available for me on demand pratically with highly comptent no b.s people. Shinzen has a bit of a rigorous approach that might does not appeal to westerne standars sometimes he is one of the people I'd say where the threshhold beginns of saying this is serious spiritual practice and not my wo-wo teaching group only. As he emphasis retreats a lot and he is teaching meditation forever. I particiapated at least approx 20-30+ micro retreats of 2-3 days over the past 6 years or more as this was one of the only things available to me in terms of retreats. Yoga seems more comfy and less dry but more effort. I interacted with a deeply enlightend soto zen master for western standards let's say who also had more of this tougher eastern approach mindset. A lot of sort of healthy tough love attitude that I find in Zen is lost through the emphasis of the western mindset of wanting everything comfy so a bit of this is lost. I did an introduction course from Sadghurus yoga and I pretty much have every audiobook spoken by him and listend to it's full duration not including retention. So I have definitely a good amount of exposure to what sadghuru wants to teach I dunno how often I was tearing up when listening to him. They definitely have both a different approach towards compassion. I'd agree with @Consilience that Shinzen has a lot of joy his inner child in a sense is so happy and bouncing you would not believe it as well as his wit and solution oriented advice. Also he combined dry burmese vipassana and rinzai zen from mahsi and IIRC his roshi sasaki roshi. I am unsure how advanced his techniques are some I can't follow for very long that are more in the rinzai-zen direction like expansion and contraction techniques and gones.I am not familar with both traditions outside Shinzens context so it's definitely a different kind of practice than what people would imagine and I do believe it can lead to deeper realizations especially if they take the practice seriously. Also his techniques go very far and also similar to Sadghuru goes into the area of high performance. A lot of high performance workers enjoy Shinzen content many people with phd's or impressive academic records and life stories. That is also very inspiring. He also rates himself as a person because people critiqued this about him in the past as someone who is on the dry side of compassion, somehow in the sense of compassion is the healer arts. He compared himself in the video to a surgeon and his healers art and he certainly has that quality. It's not easy to describe imgaine a doctor/nurse/rescue service stiching a wound and after that you notice that you are healed. He is very good at that finding the sweat spot and helping with whatever you need while being very uplifting and inspiring himself. That is sort of shinzens approach to compassion from what I notice and practiced. He does emphasis and include loving kindness meditation in his own system as a vipassana pratice and it definitely works it's a very active style of meditation you have to do a lot in a sense as you label anything. As well as the techniques are endless I don't even want to explore all of them because of how deep they seem. ---- Sadghuru I have less experience with only that what I mentioned. He definitely seems to be more expressive and warm by nature or genetics than Shinzen, Shinzen definitely seems like a person who had to deal with fear more. If we ask about the human side. Which will also coincide with technique choice and teacher preference. Reading Wilber ROT different techniques produce different results vispassana can only lead to casual states of "enlightenment" and won't bring you to non-duality apparently / non-dual embodyment. What I find is that generally yoga people are very much intune with their kinesthetic intelligence especially how it is marketed in the west. Doing kriya yoga for exampled showed me how serious yoga can be done and not what is marketed to the west, altough I find their level of realization is to much in the plain of beign human. Sadghuru like Shinzen combines a lot of Yoga practices seemingly so there is a unification of enlightenment and people create commonalities etc. you can clearly tell this from his talks and books by both. I did hatha yoga, suriya kriya and upa yoga in his online course although the focus was on the theoretical aspects of it and had not all to many practices. Both also love science. In terms of realizations I did not read a single word in the entire thread that would help me clarify as well as explore stuff as I see some issues on the technical side of things, yet I'd personally say Sadghuru is one if not the most enlightend person on earth publically known. With including people in the scene like Adyashanti/Ralston/Young/Kahn/Tolle maybe the Dalai Lama or Mingyur Ringpoche is at such a deep level of realization. I don't think Shinzen can compare to someones level of awakening who grew up in the east and started very young. Shinzen started at 25 and went hardcore. Sadghuru was always like ever since he was born he self-reports this also. Sadghuru seems to me to be one woke "beep" and I can only say after following 6 years of Shinzens work as much as I could he could not compare to Sadghuru. People who generally talk about re-incarnation and are actively spiritual praticioners etc. and more of this sidhi stuff some to be on a different level. Maybe Shinzen has 10% of what Sadghuru has and Ralston 20-25 and vice-versa approx to diminish bias without testing. Shinzen was also initiated in the shingon tradition of Vajrayana and tells crazy visual experiences with what they did there. I never heard someone here speak for example about this tradition and it's techniques and effects. Conceptual common language is really missing here yet if I'd go by what I know I'd put Sadghuru 1 max 2 stages above where Shinzen is when Shinzen is at non-dual and sadghuru is at non-dual I'd say sadghuru is one level deeper. Excluding lower TIER 3 realizations as dream,casual state etc. As well as my experience to higher TIER 3 realms is limited. So I can't really talk about it and usually it's biased towards the teacher. Shinzen is not that friendly with himself either I believe in terms of still wanting growth and impacting with his work. I'd personally say after talking to him a couple of times he has enough humility to admit Sadghuru is on a deeper level if it truely is the case. And I think both would be wise enough to not bother about it. Besides if it's for technical clarification or exploration.

I see. Thanks for pointing that out that is fantastic! Sometimes I get the impression to not even do it at all because it's not a tool for the highest levels. I get what is meant overall. Thanks for providing indirect feedback in that sense!

By which method is it possible to access higher dimensions besides psychdelics are psychdelics themselves a tool for what you'd deem higher dimensions of consciouness? Also my experience with psychcedelics and meditation retreats differ. Ulitmately I don't know what is possible and I am still curious as to what method allows access to higher dimensions of consciouness. With better health I am pretty confident I can fully follow what you want to teach even when I fail alot and form an understanding of what you'd call god-realization. I barely had any of these experiences besides maybe small tastes, so I'd like to experience it directly a couple of times so I know what the work ultimately is about. I soon will do DMT and explore that route for consciouness expanding tools/methods. Obviously also with meditation as it just helps me personally.