ValiantSalvatore

Thanks mate, I don't have the luxury time for reading currently, I saw some posts here, I can't fully tell if it is a duplicate. I bought one course from Dr. Keith Witt and did parts of it for a relationship course, that is also an interesting ressources to have and share from you. https://www.integralpsychology.org/integral-relationships.html

Sounds plausible. It's pleasent when there is no attraction and things last for a while. Friendships usually don't last forever in that sense. Thanks for the tiny insight and feedback. Repetition can be nice.

I can see why now, also a lot of stuff Sundays is closed... I also wanted to write a big thank you for taking these posts serious, as well as @Emerald basically everything you two wrote was happening during the date. I am just still to unexperienced and notice some very old shadow because people over-sexualized me in school and hence I refrain from sexually escalating as they want this "big boss" mentality and I get a tremendous amount of guilt. I don't think they understand how compassion can work at a survival sense, as their lives have never been threatend as well as many never contemplated these depths. I also feel I could have to much of a character as she told me she was looking for something serious and told me about her future, plans I made the mistake to explain the larger vision, as well as I simply did not do proper physical escalation. As we had just very good conversations and I made her laugh often and we had a lot of fun, the date lasted 6h in total and she thought me Surfskateboarding which I can apparently do now, even when injured. I asked her for movies, yet in a very timid and not dominante way, where I could convince her, as I did not have a lot of excitement, and she was looking for something serious and lives a jetsetter lifestyle mostly. Anyway, the good thing is I talked to a guy who is into game, and he explained me that is fine and with my looks and character it should take me 100 approaches to get a lay. Which is not much and can be done in a week or two. I just never did it. He also told me psychologists did not work for him in regards to all of this. We apparently are also on a friendship basis, as she is not as boring as most of the computer science guys and is open to just hanging-out which is good for social circle game and just having new friendships after I lost a bunch of them thanks to developmental work. It was very nice to see someone who has that level of non-judgement. As she had a pretty deep character, although some of it is obvious to me. Psychdelic trips and just life thought me tremendous highs and lows. If there is some interest and possible clarification, on how I can procede with further dates, especially when there are clear signals for example: She said "Omg I have never been to this place in excitement" She said "Oh is this your leg when I took her out for eating (as she had training for 2h and I thought she is hungry) giggled really hard" She again like last date showed me a personal video of her with her friends and her social life She asked me about future plans and what I want currently in a relationship We had physical contact the whole time while Skatesurfboarding, yet I did not really feel the romance and I often get into no b.s mode when doing sports and just execute like a robot, it was also very dark so it was not easy to read more subtle cues, and feeling wise there was no big chemistry just by character and personality, not on a love&lust feeling level. I held her while she was skating down some ramps and she held me while I learned to skate the thing... After the leg thingy post-restaurant eating, I asked her for movies and we went skatesurfboarding instead, as I asked her for her plans at night. Any thoughts did she just take me for boyfriend material? Our future plans are 100% different and I might have leaked to much. I listend to some deeper dating advice, and it was about revealing ones vision. She did not like America, so yeah, that kinda sucked. I do think on a moment to moment basis, yet at times I have to bounce through more venues, as well as just hit-harder in that sense... What are good moves/questions to be a bit more playful? I will do some shadow work around this, as I was bullyed I realized after the date in high school, as many attractive girls just liked me and wanted some form of physical contact. While other boys were socially more dominant I was just more "sexually dominant" without really realizing it as I was just chill the whole time and also very energetic. She also deleted the app, and we are still friends. I enjoy female friends a lot, although I learned some boundaries by experience. Feedback and or not, thank you two especially for the tips! I inserted to much doubt as an intetion and that makes for impure intentions!

I am going to be very brief, as I've been on multiple dates now and generally my questions seem fine, yet I get the feedback the sexual connection is missing. I have a date with a sexy chinese girl, and she does not drink alcohol, she said yes and I want to invite her for coffee (waffles etc.), if she does not drink that I'd recommend going to waffles and ice cream, there is no way she'll says no. She does not drink so that is awesome. What are good conversational topics to sexualize a conversation, so I could be at the end, what are you up to? How about we watch movie/series x at your place? (I will drive to her city (35 min drive)) We have a lot in common(hip-hop, swimming, beach, jolly and optimistic energetic, health focus that is integrated and not a gimmick), yet my injury holds me back from going full power into exercises, I am doing better currently and I have a doctors appointment today, to get more feedback. I think she deeply enjoys healthy sex, when I go from my intuition the ('pua' said I fucked up with 7 years experience, I know it was going to hook, you can't be true authenticity and experience in terms of analysis) I don't know what this will be, yet I'd love to have a great time, how can I sexualize conversation and be flirty with her? I know I can basically talk a lot about her, as she is just very interesting, I am unsure how well is that going to hook and how to sexualize a conversation.

These would be projects for when I am older, I still like the value of adventure more while building financial security and freedom. A home theater is more thing I'd like to have for kids... I am not big on movies, I like the construction of it and get very analytical this is something I get into later. I am not the biggest movie fan I'd rather go on a bike tour and meditate or smth...

Thank the lord a human appears. Mini-Chess is one thing I like chess a lot. I'll come up with stuff that fits, me if I could have a proper car I'd take my bike always with me. Thank you again!! I'll come up with some unique and fun things. Professional Camera is the nextthing on the list, even when it's a bit of a tech stereotype etc. I also want something unique etc. Less is more, I presume a bike, chess and a laptop is enough...With a satchel...

Shows SD development. Legit that is the joke. There is no maybe, you'd most likely make a good girlfriend to me the way you answer these things, it's ridiculous. TURQUOISE MENTIONS THE OBVIOUS !!!! SHOCKER!! I KNOW!!!! Just stop it. I give you a good pounding . The amount of lying you'll concot is the most obviosu thing I can tell by your character, to me you are pretty disgusting. Just bend the truth your way while I puke. I sorta take it back, yet I also mean it seems, you have some humour, yet I don't like the date rape vibe. As a female friend of mine was molested by her greedy nerdy boyfriend, where I thought wow game legit has more class than some nerd from an elite university. Anyway, maybe rattle a sack of money and see what happens, this is what I thought yesterday as I saw some gold diggers.

Again, thanks for mentioning something that is obvious as it's not to me and the monkey comments without some serious thought is quiet triggering. I ignored both, no need to engage in this...

Okay, that is what I thought. Thanks for no b.s. With the monkey b.s on this forum. Seriously thanks! I am pretty anal, I would prefer having a gun and a laptop in the trunk of my car and no TV's in my bed and workroom that is the most distracting shit. I love movies, yet when I meet some high earning doctors they gave me the advice ditch the TV and read books. I only will buy a TV to hook it up to a bike to do some exercises in the winter, as well as in a living room. Yet I only have a sleep and a work room currently at 60+ m^2

You'd legit take a laptop bag to a date and carry it around the whole or carry it around the whole date? That is not stupid? Beign charming does not have more value? As she'd be inclined to do invite you to watch movies? Is that not more realistic than loading a bunch of movies on a laptop and bringing it to a date? Is that not a little desperate? I can do it at one point, as this takes some serious time commitment, I don't have the time and luxury to watch a bunch of movies. I am not a big movie fan without a larger group of people I prefer working on a project and or lifelong-learning. I am more serious about that, reading, coding etc. I enjoy movie a lot, yet I don't watch any in my freetime, it's legit a waste of time I mostly then do fitness and or do something else that is more fun to me than movies. I mostly enjoy it with knowledgeable friends. Anyway, I dunno as none here are gym rats etc.

I have two laptops, that are pretty good as well as a pretty good PC setup just to watch movies next to each other. I usually work there. Most of my time is devoted to work and studying.

I have a sauna that I could ask to be fixed as it's not in use. I don't own a TV, neither do I plan to own one my place is large, yet wine and the sauna could be the only thing I could offer. As well as the swimming thing I mentioned in another thread. What are other cool things to own? That are pretty cheap? I don't have the place setup, yet as this is costly for example bikes etc. for at home training etc. Darts? To complicated and just going for some wine and dinner at my place?

Just asking could do the trick? I don't have an iPad she does not drink. She does boxing, could ask to see something at her place for example? I'll find some way, I don't have any props here, if I'd be more healthy and successfully established I would attempt to trip with her. As well as force her to do some sparing and or smith. akin at her place, show me some boxing moves I dunno. I'll see what I can do...

It's at her city, so I am driving there. It's 35mins+ away from my place. Saying we could watch a movie if you're free at your place, could work? When I ask what she'll be doing at the end/rest of the day. Asking her is mandatory, in the sense of getting better with women. As well as a generell rule? This is like my 6-7 date. We'll be moving into the evening hours.

You can ask if for instance if she is interested for a drink and ask her to drink wine at your place, as well as a place very close to your home. Ex: Let's drink some wine at my place, I cook some dinner for us (more casual girl). You can still opt for not drinking wine, and just tell her you'd wanted to meet her and cook dinner with a beautiful girl etc... Let's go for drinks at place XXX, (near your place for a potential pull etc.) You could drink a little bit of alcohol if it is that neccessary, yet I would not overdo it and constrain oneself to balance. This usually happens when a girl is very straighforward to you, as well as feels comfortable, you can still then opt for if she says no, we could meet for a coffee as well as for ice cream, drinks nearby to your place. Just masturbate and get the neediness off, deep discipline in exercise can help, yet you have to have the mind and body for this to pull this off. As this can also be a tremendous benefit. Currently I get better results just jerking off. It seems to be even good for hypertrophy exercises. Letting go and just feeling the emotion obviously helps. Develop a positive "hopeful & obstalce overcoming mentality", setbacks do happen this is progress enjoy the plateau this is part of mastery. I have the same pictures for online-dating where I invested 100€ into and they are still to feminine, there is a lot of room for improvement work on one thing at a time, of what is currently feasable and don't rely on online only, be social and have some friends. I struggled with this too, as I lost all of my friends doing this developmental work, and I consistently gain new ones. Lower your standards also to some level, there is no need to loose self-respect I struggle with this mentally also, you can easily date a cute&average girl who's a 6/7 just to get some experience. There is no need to give into the desperation to sleep with someone you'd hate yourself for, you'd just damage yourself and the girl. Online-Dating is way way harder than offline, you have to be at a model level to get the top 5% I am good looking and get compliments, I match also very hot women at times with a shitty frame, look for what you can optimize and improve that would give your the highest leverage, and just jerk-off. Don't cling to this masculine idea of testoserone if you are not approaching girls in real life, I don't think this is helpful. Full discloser: I am not super experienced, yet this might be good food for thought. Look for different openers also. I tested so many, if she really likes you as a human, she will be interested in the most casual message. If she is picky cause hot etc. You really have to be playful. The best matches I had beign very provocative and just focusing on this for fun, it's risky, I lost these matches also as I could not hold up. Beign playful and cheeky get's you more hot matches. You can test run openers on OkCupid, as it let's you message girls. Include her name always!!! 99.9% of guys don't even do that you can reverse test with a profile as a women. They are just very timmid imagine every guy writes you as a girl. Hey how was your weekend? Hey youu look sooo beautiful Hey I like your eyes Hey you are so sweet You like what you see down there (chad guy almost naked in his profile) --- If you are a bit serious about this create a womens profile and analyzie it from a womens perspective, see what others write and differentiate yourself from the crowd. Get a masculine type shooting in that is cool, and talk with guy friends who are succesful in this or just doing it. I am also still in the optimization process of this, it's legit only looks and status on Tinder, Bumble gives more room for authenticity and OkCupid is just a pure testing plattform with some hidden gems, yet it pisses one more off, as women there screen heavily and it feels at times political. Last tip: Do some shadow work (once a week) and develop a gratitude mindset, it helps to generate more hope in times of desperation, this also changes results in online-game for me, just by who randomly matches me etc. This is about beign a better version of yourself, yes results matter, BUT!! Focus on the process and work on the ends that yield the highest results. For online it's your body and looks & status great photos, no need to go black pill etc. Get a friend on a weekend to shot pictures and check out picture guides. Get into some decent fashion. You can do all this authentically and you will attract more authentic women. External stuff certainly can change the internal, yet the deepst work is internal find some way to do some kind of work that procures the internal changes you need, be it yoga, swimming, doing athletics, training for a triathlon etc. Vision and beign 100% in this mode, will give you a lot of access to this. When I was on the peak recently I almost fingered a girl in the club super hot chick, and gave a friend his first make out, he was so happy.

@Leo Gura Any possible deep experienced based advice on how to get laid on the first date during day time? It's not my ultimate goal more intimacy and physical contact, is the idea. We'll be going to an espresso bar, for espresso and some dessert, and then stroll it's a sunday also, and she is leaving on vacation for 3 weeks in April. It's a bit to much of a challenge as it's not in my city, 35 minute drive away. Although any signs and pointers you could gift us? She seems pretty cautious, yet highly open and just busy (classic 4w3 & 3w4 in case that seems interesting as well as is helpful), sunflower type girl, no alcohol, sports and good living. I'd prefer to just be chill, still you never fully know. I get more I'd prefer to be your girlfriend vibes from her, and we have things in common. The advice could be applied more generally, so it could yield value for all, I did not think about it, when I opened the thread, yet it seems @supremeyingyang gained some value out of this. Would be cool to have an answer we are meeting tomorrow, seems like again a rare high yellow SD range date. Otherwise nobody would engage in this orange is way to superficial and my profile is way to Green - Orange with a tidbit of Yellow/Turquoise.

I missed also some texting game, as she was personally very sensually oriented, I could have said I could give her a massage/rub for her hurt shoulder. I will text her that, as she is not replying with other ideas. As I get 9w8 pastor, love bear bias. (Triggers the living shit out of me), when someone considers my skin color to be black (which is rare) I am so white it's legit like I am a snow-brown chamelon. I am legit almost as white as Leo, when I turn around my arm, and my father is pitch black. It's odd to describe. These are mostly projections of dating, many who are not used to the survival paradigm do not see with 33% accuracy. I presume sitting accross each other would give more leeway to play around with legs and the feet, as well as have sexual eye contact, initiate conversation to move over to her etc. I legit would enjoy dating more with health I would even invite her for jogging, and surfing running with dogs. It's very annoying. If she connects I can invite her for swimming and dragon boat stuff. As well as the classic, can I try your food, oh so yummy. To be more sensual the point is, I am very sensetive and learning from other sensetives is also fantastic. A friend of mine noticed how a girl likes to play with the beer bottle and subtely licked it etc. While I was focused on the stripper in front of me, with full masculine concentration. (He said it was so overt) He did smth. and she pulled him into the bathroom and they had sex in a strip club... while her brother was in there! We convinced them somehow to join, and she even had a boyfriend. On some level this was fked, yet she legit initiated that. I did not see it with my own eyes, all I know they were gone, for like some time (which scared my friend).

Thanks I hope she will reply, I made all of my dates laugh and banter till now, physical escalation is the biggest obstacle till now. Making out is just building connection there is nothing to it etc. From the experiences I had etc.

6w5 ISTJ country, these guys are built to be cowards and robots. You have to warm them up somehow, the fault of a type 6 aka weakness is cowardice. It's so apparent. From a personality perspective. From a real world perspective it's the amount of order etc. (Same type 6 spectrum). I dunno I am very cognitive, when I move into the body you often get these way to woo-woo people, there is nothing concrete. The girl I dated above was turkish and from Antalya..beautiful gal and very open, also extremely cognitive this is why I was so unsure, at the date, she said fuck it let's some cannabis in the sense of. Nobody cares it's not that bad you know. https://www.personality-database.com/profile/50643/germany-countries-and-regions-mbti-personality-type I know already with a bit of courage you get so many numbers and dates. This is the gift of a type 6. I never strategically did this to just get a girlfriend etc. It's crazy competitive when you consider how educated these people become imo and night clubs are legit a heaven I notice atm, from all this order etc. Also very strong orange status orientation at times. With more greenish areas, you can get away with more and get to know more women usually also more fun festivals etc. Are mostly Orange/green - Green/orange imo. The very German ones are pure Green-Red.

LEGIT MY THINKING 1000000=%%%%%%%%%%!!!!!!!!!! THESE PEOPLE ARE SUCH SCARDY CATS OMFG.

Sounds like some solid nudging. Thanks for the reminder to do this last date moved closer to me and wanted to show me something where she played the guitar, I dunno it was odd was we smoke cannabis openly (psychologists funny right), she was also dressed in a full orange dress. This legit is better more nuanced advice, that most men are like "get the skill it's so obvious" it is and it isn't. Next time I will err on the side of over-escalation and make the excuse smth. "There is something in your hair, brush hair away and make-out" a bit. Let's see I am in such a business mode at times. Fun is the best option from that minds perspective tuning into my body is the biggest b.s advice you can give me, for various reasons. Most are to unskilled to even notice someone is in their body, besides they exhibit that energy actively.

Kk the place seems located in an area like this basically downtown in a shopping street in the middle of the city, endless shops many possibilties. I'll check we could even go to a park, most likely a nice surprise for her from all the activity. It's basically drinking a coffee having a little bite then strolling and checking venues... Hope this will work and the setup is fine. I check and adjust to potential interests. Shopping mall will most likely also work from the initial bounce from the coffee thingy. Thx for the tip, hope this will work, and she says yes.

What are other good avenues? We will meet at a cafe. I am checking out the city and bouncing points, as I am injured I am not as excited at times, so what are other good places if there are no "culutral events" to check out during day time? How to move to her place? It seems like a pretty decent chance to get laid, as it's close to her vacation time! I hope this will work out, she even post-poned the date and said yes.

Alright I bookmared this as GOD's advice cheers!

@Leo GuraEdit: How to escalate when sitting at a table, is sitting next as well as across from each other better? Holding hands is only possible next to each other, otherwise I would need to touch her leg and across romantic eye contact and more saiposexual romance would be possible. (Again very educated gal...) Squeezing butt, would love to do that playfully, I don't know why it feels like I have collective guilt about this, because of subtle shaming of skin color. I am very consent oriented, because of subtle political shaming left&right which creates a lot of impure intentions.