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Probably the things you do simply don't "fall in line" with their ideas of what you should be doing. And they have no capacity to give you your sovereignty as they don't even believe such thing can/should exist or that people can think for themselves.

That's one aspect. But for most people it's not even that deep. It's mostly survival stuff, which includes both material and social survival. Most aren't willing to let go of social survival in favor of pursuing Truth.. Questioning it will question their own identity that they've constructed and are continuing constructing unconsciously.

Fear of having an existential crisis once you start the process of unraveling.

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The problem is that anytime you try to "get into" society, it's like a web of construction that everyone is deeply webbed into. And so any "person" who hasn't realized this that you get involved with will try to drag you back into this web that you have already got out of. If you resist they will demonize you. So the only option would be to pretend you're okay being in the web, but in the end you cannot go back deeply again because you know about its constructed and self-deceptive nature.

I should love whatever you love .

I had my first God realization on mushrooms on medium dosage but was very powerful. I don't know if it works the same for others. You have to find a dosage/substance that you would be comfortable with. Truth be told, I didn't really care at the time where it was gonna take me, was ready to just dive in because something was calling me to and I was exhausted by some things/the drama around me (including some lingering depression as a result). There's more work after your first awakenings. But the depression coming from the ego should start to diminish drastically.

You're your own guide . Something just clicks when you're ready for an awakening. It's not a linear process... I for one can't seem to do some kind of "schedule", and because I want to exhaust the integration aspect from the trips until another. But everyone has their own preference/way of doing things that work for them.

I'm not that serious about it and don't want to engage in trying to convince anyone. It is not safe for me to discuss this in detail in a public setting. It's only for if something mutual happened. That's the only way it can work for me. Otherwise people will try to manipulate/demonize me.

If you try to understand all this from a perspective of his "previous videos" or behaviors or him as a public figure, it won't make sense, nor should you try.. This is something else but only some people might understand/grasp the truth of why, but will not be able to prove it or want to or even able to express it. You can only try to contemplate it for yourself but sharing what comes to you with others would be futile. Try to make peace with that you might not know the full truth of this and only some will.

If you're contemplating suicidal thoughts (besides some kind of thought experiment which I will leave room for) something is obviously causing you pain in this existence. Men are especially good at covering it up so no one notices, but are the best at successfully ending their lives. The thing to do is to face the pain and the source of it.

Healing goes beyond trauma and is never "complete" because there's other people's traumas around you that will affect you as well. But that's a less personal point. And it's untrue that you have to be well healed to heal others. You can be with someone at a similar level of healing and go through it together. That's more balanced. Otherwise it becomes a parent-child like relationship when the gap is large.

@no_name I wasn't trying to give her advice was just talking to @Scholar. I could've clarified better. However, the other point I should make is that, everyone has "trauma" to one extent or another, just degrees of it.

Depends where someone's at with their development I think. If you've done most of the healing work, transcended ego and gotten some awakenings, live in the present moment (and mostly egoless), got your survival stuff mostly together, it would be more possible to engage in non-monogamy long term. But then where to find people like this in current time? Who will be similar and not use it to manipulate or have their selfishness/ego agenda ruin the dynamic? A less ideal form is possible but I feel that anything less than the above would have dysfunctions.

@Scholar Yes I think that when someone has enough what you might call "baseline character", but obviously has some unprocessed pain/trauma that is causing them to behave in certain dysfunctional/unloving ways, there is room there for healing in the relationship and if yourself can recognize that it's not "their essential being" but a wounded energy that wants to lash out. It takes great patience and sometimes you may be tempted to give up. It's always nice to hear there are people out there who would stick around and guide the other person towards more love and healing.

@Razard86 Dawwww, I am always here . I am doing alright thanks for asking. Pretty hot days here this summer but I'm trying to enjoy it while it's here. Hope things are well with you too .

Shunyamurti seems to have but he doesn't talk about it much and probably not using extensively though that's just my assumption on the ladder.

And that was my direct experience, that when it comes to casual sex, most guys I've personally dealt with have a "psychopathic" kind of approach about it that is dehumanizing and emotionally painful. But clearly I said most so not all were like this. You can disregard the heresay part as I said it was heresay and clearly can't confirm directly what other women experience, but sometimes heresay should also be taken into account as that's all you have. Like when you're sharing about something on this forum even if from your experience, it becomes heresay. Though there's layers of "directness" and you can choose to not trust ones farther away from "direct experience ", and not take too seriously.

That's why generalizations don't work for individual cases. And I wasn't referring to that kind of comparison. You're just straw manning to avoid the actual thing being pointed to. You're mixing the mildest possible example in the first case with the most extreme in the other example. But on the other hand, it's degrees of pain/suffering, and how do you know if one is really more or less? It's only true to the individual/experiencer. Unless you've directly experienced the same kind of pain of being ill-used for sex as I have you don't understand what that's like either and just trivializing/dismissing it the same. And I'm not gonna list out all of my experience on a public forum to you right now. And I'm done talking about this with people who have no direct experience with it nor care about the truth. You can keep fantasizing that this kind of thing doesn't exist or causes no emotional pain.

Yesss! If you keep doing it (especially when the ego gets triggered by something), it'll lose strength over time. And it's pretty joyful to go from a place of irritation lets say, to peace and love. (does help to have some reference experience I'd say). This forum is just us talking to ourselves trying to help "ourselves" understand all this and merge, lol, well, and maybe some other stuff to keep us entertained. Fyi don't mean to pressure... do what feels true to you.

@Aleister Crowleyy I prefer being connected to the person and seeing/being seen. Not sure about yours. We all have "preferences" or else you'd be okay having sex with an animal. And because you see sex as mainly animalistic (which I consider more an aspect of), it makes sense you're not getting the point I'm making about therapist.

At some point, you are faced with whether you would talk to the people who might get it, or to "everyone".

At first when you try to. It takes practice I guess. Especially notice when you're getting worked up about something.. that's the opportunity to practice letting it go and notice the additional layer being added to your true self. Letting it go may be harder at first than just noticing it. Well it would be seen as not real. And an act you're doing (maybe for others sometimes and for "practical reasons" to get by).

Hmm...that it was this made up thing that we held dear to..and in an instant you can get rid of it if you want, just let it go, like a hat.