Bob84

Heres the mindfuck. The observer ONLY observes, it doesn't think, it has no opinions and it doesn't care. In a sense there is only "attention". When you think about a tomato, usually that thought comes and than 1 second later it gone. Unless you pay more attention to it. You could literally mentally masturbate days about a tomato (all your past experiences, how they taste, look, where they comes from, the farmer growing them etc). Most people don't do this with tomato's, but they do it with other thoughts. You don't really have control over everything that comes up in your mind when you think about tomato's, BUT you are/can fully in control the amount of attention you give it. Thoughts are thoughts, there is no difference between a tomato and a horrible memory in this sense. Ego is not something bad. You need ego and in a sense are ego. Everything you want is ego based. Without ego there is no point. You probably have heard the glasses example. You either believe you are the glasses or are aware that you are wearing them and seeing true them. My point is, yes its all the ego speaking, and that's fine. But it has no power nor control. Its a tool you use to live. At the moment you probably don't fully see this jet, and you see the ego coming, attach to it, and say, this is me and this is reality. The silence, emptiness, nothingness that remains when you are not having thoughts is the observer that cant be observed. Who you think you are remains nothing more then just a thought, a fantasy.

@LRyan nothings wrong with you. Your egos are fighting and your paying attention to them. Take a deap breath and be honest with yourselfs. Ego A is having a fight with ego B. And you have your attention on ego A and believe you are ego A and B. But can you be what you are observing? Are you a thought created in your mind or are you the observer of the thought? (Aditionaly while reading this you trigger ego C to disagree with A and B.) Your history, thoughts have no value or importance unless you bring them to mind and start mentaly mastrubating about them. My response might be a little to direct, but hope it has some affect.

Why do you think you are a rasist? Everyone judges a book by its cover. Its only when we start reading the book that that changes. Ontop of that they tel us these books are realy bad, on a daily bases. So no wonder. That doesnt make it true. But it is normal behavior. One just has to look around to see this. Being aware of this judging in the moment will change everything.

The realization of it being a unending search for something none existant.

@The_spanish_guy malaga here . You can, i was like that to. Do note that thats on you list aswell . At home i speak a mix of 5 languages. But im limiting myself to 2 here . Watch leos video about "dont care what other people think". Realisticly you can stop being a introvert in just one week. All it takes is stopping self sabotage.

Enlightenment is to easy, and your ego wants it to be hard, it wants to maintain the illusion of progress and getting somewhere. The devotion in that sense prevents them from reaching the none existing goal. Special clothes, shaving your head, meditating every day, has nothing to do with enlightenment

@abc a vision for your future to motivate yourself.

Andalucia . Try to be aware of your list. And see how fast it changes. And how you will never be able to compleet it. Somos todos unos locos hasta que lo vemos y paramos. People pleasing is also loco. You do it because you believe you are pleasing yourself. But when you have a closer look you will realize your just screwing yourself. By nature we all try to avoid danger and discomfort. However most of us are screwed up. Resulting in fearing stuff like simple disagreements and negative opinions from others. This can result into a introvert being scared to ask where the milk is in a supermarket. You know that is insane, but true. And whats the solution? Just ask! And dont think! You know the stuff your thinking is mentira and only screwing you.

@The_spanish_guy tu eres lo que tu piensas que eres. Pero observando esto, quien es el observante? Lo que quiero decir con eso es que todo lo que piendas es nada mas que esto. Ideas en tu cabeza. Sin pensar no estas ni contento ni lo contrario. Si pongas tu atention a cosas buenas estas feliz. Si pongas tu atention a cosas malas te sientes mal. Lo que tambien haces es crear una lista de requimientos en tu cabesa para estar feliz. Es decir, si cumplo con esto y esto puedo estar contento, pero antes me tengo que sentir mal. En fin. Tienes varior egos complicando la vida. Y la verdad siendo que no es mas que eso. Aunque es mucho vaya. Y entiendo que dificil es. Para empezar mira a tu lista de requimientos y di: a tomar por culo que dicido estar feliz ya. Porque la lista nunca termina. (Y haz me cazo q la lista no es nesesario).

Could one say that sience is a very practical belief? Could we say that it is because of sience that we no longer burn spiritual people we dont agree with (witches)? Is it fair to say that sience created the atomic bomb but isnt the reason for using it?

No you dont. Meditation is a good tool, but nothing more. Sleep yoga is also a good tool.

No, because my ego believes hating them is more practical.

@john5170 everyday you have diferent thoughts. In a sense you are present when you think about being present. Its all about where you place your attention.

@Stoica Doru just enjoy Dont be fooled by your ego. There is no fight to be had. You ego disagrees do. It is your choice to give it attention or not. Regardless of what it says or wants. Or in other words stop giving a fuck .

My prefered word is goals Every challenge / goal is self created. And all are related to maslows pyramid. We all want money for set reasons (confort, security, food, etc). We however often create additional crap to justify behavior. Our egos shouldnt be hurt . And yes often we let society dictate to us what we should believe, and this cause even more confused goals. We need to be honest with ourself. Say f-off to the ego and set goals that we understand. And adapt when we feel the need. (We are just writing software in that sense)

Or is it that you are not satisfied with the joy and it needs to be more? Commenly when people add "true" infront of a word they want to have a better or not existing version of set thing @Magic think happy thoughts. And let the ego mentaly mastrubate about exiting ideas and concepts. Or one could ofcource minimize focusing on the negative ones The process of suffering is the same as joy. So everyone has the tools

@MochaSlap this is what the ego does. Its in our nature. We are the center of the universe and everything needs to be as we picture it in our mind. And everyone needs to agree with our opinion. Our ego demands it. You can either keep relating and attaching to this part of your ego or not.

@100rockets ultimate truth is just a other label your ego likes to use to give extra credit to stuff. Enlightenment in a sense is just being aware of things that you are currently not. Not really comparible to other things, but as a general line. Enlightenment is therefore not the ultimate truth but the end of bullshitting yourself about a ultimate truth.

A fight between egos. Ego makes life amazing. And you will always have it. Even after enlightenment. The diference is that you will be free from it. For example emotions become optional and not forced.

@Shin confidence. You have thoughts that screw you? Like: i sound stupid, what do they think when i say that...... etc?

@NotActualized what you focus on and pay attention to is your choice. Some things you dont have much controle over, like the stuff your mind comes up with during the day. These things will apear. But it remains you that decides to pay attention to it or not. Our mind makes thousands of calculations all the time. Like how far is that tomato away and how does the hand need to move to grab it. Etc. But also survival calculations. As in what it things you need to do to get x. This however is based on the info in your mind of which most is delusion.

Only within the ego

@LRyan you remember your awakenig like it was yesterday. You ego loved it and wants it back. You enlightend self however doesnt give a shit . Get where im pointing at? You look back at it from the ego and get confused.. get why that doesnt make sense? Watching some mooji videos could get you back. Or in other words distract you from your ego. A none thinking routine where you focus on your body or other things. Aslong as you are not in your head can help create a default. Forget enlightenment. Or atleast see the fact that its only your ego that cares.

@LRyan who or what is it that wants this so bad?

@Epiphany_Inspired get openoffice. Or install linux