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We need to put things into relation. Vaping the same amount of mg you would plug would be because of better Absorption stronger and therefore more dangerous. So you would say a medium dose plugging with medium effects is less physical and mental dangerous than a medium dose of inhaling with medium effects?

"If you can't handle 10 minutes of come up something is wrong" Ah ok so the traumatic experience happens usually not in the come up phase until the peak is reached? Never had one trauma so I am guessing. Just see that the come up is for many an uncomfortable experience and if you don't breakthrough and get sucked into a black hole it is better to get out as fast as possible and vaping is shorter here. So vaping has shorter come up and lasts shorter. Both good points to get less traumatic experience I think compared to plugging.

I have witnessed that plugging is not way more gentle than vaping. I would even say it's more traumatic. The problem is that it comes slow but not so slow that you can adapt. It gets creepy, the effects start coming more and more and more and you will be fucked more slowly which can be a torture on its own. Vaping on the other hand makes the hairy part very quick.

@Unleash thank you so much. I love Malt trip reports. It's so special. One thing you need to know about malt, the roa was not the problem. Plugging can give you also an spiritual emergency. Just because something comes slow doesn't mean you can surrender more easily.if it gets serious, a slower effect will not reduce this in any way.

You always make deep profound posts. However I call you ignorant here. I understand your limited view on a different culture. But please believe me you are dead wrong about sadghuru. You are triggered by him and don't have an object view. Go to Isha foundation, buy their two courses, try shambhavi mahamudra and see for yourself. Many people got awakenings just from doing this yoga. It works . It's amazing to have this tool and I am as thankful to learn shambhavi mahamudra as having opportunity to consume 5 Meo.

Why don't you give it a chance? Sounds reasonable and he has a ton more experience than you so why do you dismiss his expertise so easy.

@Breakingthewall shambhavi mahamudra Buy his course, Try this out

I can see that you have no idea about sadghuru. You are just ranting about guru culture with your Western mind . It's superficial and polemic to read Please take my advice and try his stuff out and then judge about him again. Right now you just have no idea

Claude 3.5 sonnet is more human like and better to read. If you make roleplay games it's even more funny However Chatgpt4 especially with o1 beats it in everything else. Before o1 Claude was my favorite. Now it's clearly Chatgpt4.

Do some of his yoga courses and say this again. And devotion is a spiritual Praxis. You really should not judge something you never tried out. It's like these people who never did psychedelics and judge these for being drug addicts

Don't mock sadghuru. Science says Jupiter has 80 moons. Sadghuru says there are 84 universes. These are statements about this relative world. Where is the difference.

Another hint, sadghuru the Solipsist. It's obvious. He is hiding deep insights from his blind naive followers.

Yes. I had no usage really. It was very relaxing but that's it

To women (if any women here even tried 5 Meo), Has someone done it? How can you compare dosage to other ROA like plugging?

But the only difference is that you can ask more questions?

@Emerald very profound, you seem spiritual gifted for sure. God realizations on Aya are not so common.

Wow that's deep then my assumptions may be not on point, thank you for sharing your perspective.

It seems to me women prefer social events and not really doing the psychedelic alone for the sake of itself. And Ayahuasca is known as a group event.I guess you also did psilocybin with someone else. I have the feeling in terms of psychedelics women are curious, but they are not interested in truth /god realizations. They do it for adventure/having fun, social connections, how it makes them feel and healing their mental problems. Men on the other hand prefer doing it alone, really for the sake of itself und for searching for truth /god and mystical experiences, sometimes also for trauma healing/self development.

That's your bias. Your butthole is also sensitive

@Emerald what psychedelics do you prefer as a woman? @What Am I interesting theory

Yes I bet not one woman in this forum has even tried 5 Meo DMT. Not a single one. Strange to think about how manly some drugs are.

I know there is the famous 10 ox picture journey. But this can be further developed/improved with today's modern tools. I ask me if there is already a map of the psychedelic path out there or if we can create one here. Like reaching milestones. I make a first start (I know it can get better) first psychedelic handshake doses. Discover alternatives states of consciousness first spiritual insights Shadow work/purification First ego death/transformations First Breakthrough on 5 Meo (Optional: Kundalini awakening ) Discover infinity Discover immortality Discover god Discover Madness God realization Infinite love awakening Integration into sober life( seeing beauty, love , unity) Deep understanding how universe works on metaphysical level Alien mind? ...

@Davino that sounds profound. I will update the map. Where would you place it?

@El Zapato ah thanks for clarifying this up, yes I tried especially just for psychedelics showing a road map. I know there are other areas too but I didn't want it too complex. For yoga, meditation there will be a different map.

Maybe you wanted to show us how fragile this map is once something in your system fundamentally goes wrong. Edit: I gave it Chatgpt4 to tell me this