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@Bazooka Jesus one of those people here who recommend drinking kola nut powder was Leo himselfe (correct me if I am wrong Leo). And sometimes he exaggerates a little so that you dont do stupid things: Yes, optimum is an empty stomach so that your energy is not used for processing food but for the trip. But you can drink totally save some water and also this kola nut powder. Your stomach will still be fine and you can handle the fear with this. It is a good trade off

@Bazooka Jesus Lol do you know how little 2 g is? this is just a drink. Your stomach will be fine. It is like drinking water

@Aaron p I ordered Kola Nut powder. Some people here on this forum say this will help you with upcoming fear and transform it into exitement. Take 2 grams of the powder, mix it with a little bit of water and then just drink it. Then wait 10-15 minutes and do the MeO. I just tested it once and there were nofear but also no efffects on 5 meo because the dose was maybe too low who knows. I would recommed you to experiemnt with this powder before using mdma.

@Bazooka Jesus Very good reason, I understand your concerns. To be honest, I dont know the right answer here because I just tried low dose 5 meo so far and got some skills which I hope will help me when I face my fear of death with a big dose 5 meo one day.

@Bazooka Jesus start easy with 5 mg rectal. There is no panic there (just a little heart racing but this will last for just 2 minutes and you are still in full control). Nothing profound and you can train plugging.

@Balyrean Very good! Just an honest report. Many reports here on this forum are just breakthrough reports. We need more of low dose/mid dose reports to see the effects and struggles there.

I want to share my 5 meo experience after my breakup one week before with a long term relationship (5 year). During this week I was in very bad mood, was total depressed, watched a lot of porn, played video games and worked hard to distract me. I also did sport every day and was in a strong low carb diet. I lost 2 kg in this week. So I thought it would be interesting to give 5 meo a try. I fastet 8 hours and did 20 minutes meditation before the trip. I measured 2 cups ( 3 mg) 5 Meo hcl and used the boofing technique (https://www.reddit.com/user/WeirdOneTwoThree/comments/98o55b/guide_to_per_rectal_administration_of_opiates/ ) for optimal results (@ LeoGura, no you dont need to stick it in your ass for 1 Minutes it only needs 3 seconds). I was not afraid at all, my mood was normal after meditation. I played a song (Liquid Records), closed my eyes and the effects started immediately to kick in. A little nausea arised in beginning, then my breath got stronger. The trip went unpleasant, the music I did not enjoy at all. I had the feeling something is wrong/weired. I opened my eyes for some seconds and then in my mind comes the thought "I dont want to break reality right now, I dont want non duallity whatever that is". Strong fear kicked in and I closed my eyes again. I tried to relax, smiled. I managed the fear somehow but still very very unpleasant, my heart beat raised. I had strange headspace like everything is moving and I cannot locate where I am. 5 hours after the trip I went to sleep and a reactivation happened. I had strange trippy dreamthoughts and even if I closed my eyes it felt like everything is moving like a pile of worms. This was very unpleasant. I felt alone. In the end I could sleep well. All in all I learned a lot from the trip. This trip had no positive vibrations at all, the music I did not enjoyed really and it was more like a distraction. And it seems you need to be in good mood for 5 meo otherwise it will be unpleasant. For me this low dose 5 meo experimentation comes to an end I think. Low dose can get very serious and not something to play around. I dont know what to do next with 5 meo. It was very interesting to master the plugging technique and get a little little taste what 5 meo can offer and whats it all about. This fear and unpleasantness which arives almost every second time hinders me to go further. My first trip ( 4 mg) was the only one I experienced bliss. It never happened again during any other trip. What are your experiences with low dose 5 meo and do you have similar experiences like mine?

O @allislove you are right, low dose is breakthrough possible. I felt like I could not hold on to anything and this was scary. Like if I would go deeper I would not know where is up and down. total delocalization. I think this is what ego loss must be. @Leo Gura You are right. Pushing an experience to get bliss goes wrong. It is like forcing to love someone you dont like. It doesnt work that way. I will make a break for now with 5 meo. When I come back I will be in for a breakthrough experience. Enough of this low dose experimentation.

@Adamq8 Great report. How do you feel now? Did it changed something in you? Was it a good realization for you or do you regret to know the truth?

@allislove I experienced one time bliss with low dose 5 meo. It is possible. I wish I could trigger this experience again. Any advice is welcome. 5 meo for me is a great substance, you just need 30 minutes of time. Easy to consume if plugged and no hangovers. And almost no tolerance at all. Furthermore if Nahm is right, 5 meo low dose could burn some karma if you bring stuff to the surface. i rarely do LSD because you really have 8 hours effects and I dont like this trippy feeling. 5 meo is much more clearer.

@allislove I think smoking is good if you want a breakthrough experience. if you are not ready for a breakthrough and still want to experience value from 5 meo you need to go low dose. And plugging low dose is good to master. Because you cannot overshoot really

@Arthur yeah thanks for your answer. Interesting I am not alone. On this forum there are so many breakthrough reports but low dose or unpleasant reports, even where nothing special happens at all are rare. I think there must be more of these reports, just to give a more realistic perspective on this substance.

@Nahm I would describe the experience like I did something really wrong and there is no return. And it came in waves, stronger and stronger. Pure mental stress.

@Nahm Hm interesting interpretation. But these feelings during 5 meo felt, I could not relate to the feelings with my breakup. I even had no thoughts about the breakup during and after the trip. It just felt like my ego is losing control and fear of the unknown. It is more like a existential fear. Fear of a life changing ego death experience I dont want to experience right now.

@nistake What are your experiences with low dose 5 meo? I gradually question if it is worth the risk. The purpose of 5 meo is to let the ego die as fast as possible. Maybe I quit low dose and come back if I am ready for a full experience where my ego will die in seconds. But this could take years.

@nistake This trip was not to avoid negative feelings but to learn more about this substance. A I said I mostly get no bliss from 5 meo low dose. The real purpose was to experiment with music during the trip ( I never did this before) and how it affects me. Also I was interested how the breakup affects the 5 meo trip. I have better tools to avoid negative feelings (sport, video games, porn), I clearly had no expectation what this trip will offer me, I was just curious. And this was not a bad trip at all. It was very unpleasant, yes. Still I have no regrets and am happy right now I did overcome this challenge.

Hello, I have ADS and plan to do a detoxification with chelat therapy next week with DMPS. Now I read on this site http://www.dmpsbackfire.com/default.shtml that it could be dangerous. What do you think about it, is the risk worth it?

@Red-White-Light you dont understand Yoga at all. I think your ego is identified with a matcho guy(See your Profile picture) and this contradicts with Yoga.

just get a vacuumizer

@Red-White-Light came your psychosis from psychedelica? Could it be that you were in fear as psychosis happened? Could be just a defense Mechanismen of your ego. If something get too overwhelmed the ego use derealization to cope with reality Solve your fear and derealization goes away

@Thought Art Do you Do Spiritual practice? If so can you elaborate?

@EntheogenTruthSeeker puh congratulations, How did you do it? And one other personal question, are you in a relationship with a girlfriend? I ask me if you can get to heaven if you are still single and suffer from loneliness sometimes

Ok you have 5 meo hcl here. The vendor converted fb 5 meo maybe with lemon juice (alternative to vinegar). In lemon juice there are other substances like shugar which have a lot of weight. Therefore you could really have just plugged 5 mg 5 meo. why not start with 40 mg of your batch and see how you can handle nausea? plugging needs practie and patience Edit: sorry overread that you try 50 mg today before going higher. Ok nice, I will await your report!

Congratulations for plugging successful!! I have the same weight. According to the picture I See this amount of 5 meo is 20 mg hcl 5 mg I get the same effects like you describe. Please dont go up too fast. plugging dose raising is exponentional in its effect. If you find a method against nausea please share Take 10 mg next. This is a whole different level, Dont go up too fast

@khalifa Sounds reasonable to take 5 meo again. There must be energy stuck in your system. These energy block problems are also described in kundalini awakening. For example if your root chacra is fully activated/released and this strong sexual energy rise up your spine. However if there is an energetic blockade in other chacras this energy will cumulate there and that cannot flow correctly anymore. This leads to all problematic symptoms called kundalini syndrom and they really are described like you have right now.