OBEler

@Girzo lol why you want to know how much mg you take? That doesnt matter at all when you take cups. Calculate in cups instead of mg. Example: 3 cups low dose, 4 to 6 cups mid dose, 7 cups+ full dose Yeah there May be a little Range the more cups you take, maybe 1 to 3 mg difference on 7 cups. So what?

Lol no you should not do push harder, the opposite you must do. These bilateral shaking movements can only come on their own when you do NOTHING (If I get martin ball right here)

You get we wrong. All I said, if you dont know the substance, you will not have a memory about it and taking it in astral realm will not work. Still it can trigger a mystical experience. This mystical experience doesnt need to be experienced before Yes if you are very advanced, nothing other I said too. I just pointed at the practical problems, but nothing to overcome. And of course place is important. You need to be at the place where psychedelica lies in front of you. Good luck to anyone here on forum, from my own experience it is total possible. Invest time and do it. I wait for your astral trip reports (I still believe no one is patient here on this forum to do this)

@GreenWoods That is right, they have the same quality. I experienced a near death experience in one OBE. Dream psychedelics will work, but different as I say. It is like a flashback Remember, this whole astral realm is created by your mind. And if you have no memory about a substance, you will not experience anything If you take 1 g 5 meo dmt on astral, but just had tried 10 mg maximum in real life, you will just get the 10 mg experience and even that will be quite different but can lead to the same place in the end (ego death). Still there are practical problems: 1. you have just a few seconds / minutes in astral realm, 2. sometimes you are not in your room but somewhere else 3. even if you are in your room, you could be blind. You can walk/fly but seing things is always a problem 4. So even when you are out of body in your room, and you can see things and there is also 5 meo dmt in the near and have enough time to take it, this experience can be so distorted that it is not really close to the real experience. But try it out for yourself. You need to train almost every night to go out of body, this can take you weeks to months. Very vew people can do this. Therefore I can say, almost noone in this forum can do this stuff (I could do it with a lot of training), You need to invest at least 100 hours if you are a normal person

@GreenWoods No of course you can have mystical experiences, because you are in a different Stare of consciousness in astral realm. But this Trip is created from your memory. It can lead to mystical experiences. But doesnt have to In real life remember some beatutiful Moment or your last 5 meo dmt Trip also can lead to mystical experiences. Quite mundane. It sounds so fancy how you write about. You dont need to astral project to do this

again, taking psychedelic in dream is something complete differnt than in real life. You cannot compare It is like eating a Cheeseburger in astral realm something complete different than Real life. It is not the same. You get an experience from your memory how this Cheeseburger should Taste. And that is heavy distorted You dont know what you are taking about

To be clear, no one in this forum will ever fulfill even one point of this list And Yeah taking drugs on astral realm will not be the same as in "real life". It will just be a memory how it should be, you are not really trippin there. this can lead to ego death. But that is not the substance in astral realm but because your own mind is doing its thing

@GreenWoods Yeah good list, all is somehow possible. But as a normal human being it is easier to be enlightened than doing These stuff You need to spend nights for years for Training. Better Do other spiritual stuff

@Chris365 Ah a brave 5 Meo plugger. Welcome to the round! Can you tell what effects you got on which dose? That would be interesting to see. 30 mg and no ego death, that is special. Did you already have ego death experience before on other psychedelics?

@Javfly33 I jdont know what truth is. Therefore truth is too abstract for me to desire. I just care for energy and love. And if this will change my reality so let it be

@Javfly33 because it is a possibility. I am doing this to experience divine energy and love.

@Meta-Man Just in case I go to insanity and mental hell: Yes I want that life will be normal again

hmm yeah maybe I am a little over cautious with this whole stuff. I feel ready. In the end, Iife will be normal again even if I face god/infinity/death for some minutes

@Aaron p Nope, no heart problems at all. I am in top condition. And there was almost no mentally fear. Just a cold body fear and heart beating the whole trip. Like this: bubum bubum bubum bubum BUBUM BUBUM BUBUM BUBUM BUBUM BUBUM BUBUM BUBUM BUBUM BUBUM BUBUM BUBUM BUBUM BUBUM BUBUM BUBUM BUBUM BUBUM BUBUM BUBUM BUBUM BUBUM No insights. No visuals. @Leo Gura are there some methods against this? Kola Nut powder or breathing techniques before the session or is it really a normal side effect and you can nothing do about it? This heart beating came as I said not from the mind, I was not really in panic mentally.

Yes I had similar thoughts, here on actualized we are trained for this stuff no normal human could prepare for. Before I try 15 mg, I still want to know more about the strong heart beating effects. Why does this happen, is this part of a beginning ego death experience? Can I do something aginst this so that this does not happen again or do I need to accept strong rapid heart beats as part of the trip? It was not pleasant at all

@Aaron p HAHA legit insane is not something I want to experience, but that must be the sacrifice for experience absolute love. I am just happy that plugging worked again, this is a milestone for me! There is really a narrow degree between no effects and strong effects. Now I need to think about the dosage. 10 mg and heavy heart beating. What then can I expect from 15 mg... heart explosion, ego death and absolute insanity??

@karkaore Thanks for your report. Can you give us more details? How much did you took? How strong was it compared to oral ROA How did you plugged it? Just put this piece of paper in your finger and put it deep in your ass? How deep? How long was the trip (you said you falled asleep, maybe the trip went on) What do you mean it was smoother and clearer? Less visuals? Less trippy thoughts?

@Aaron p Ok thanks for your advice. But what about the heartbeating reaction for 2-3 minutes? Should I really jump to 15 mg in next session or should I try 10 mg again until this heart beating reaction stops? On big doses like 20+ mg I think the ego dies so quickly there will be heartbeating reaction just for some seconds. And what is when my ego still resists on 15 mg because the dose is not strong enough to kill it. Maybe a jump to 20 mg would make sense here to avoid these problems.

@Leo Gura I understand. On high dose there is no time for fighting and I get the experience. Eighter you are God or not. There is not much in between. But I have to sacrifice as you said. I dont want to be shocked and mindfucked for month. hope there is a way in between where I can be prepared for this breakthrough experience. This must be possible. Maybe aiming for a white out experience where I can hardly remember anything? @Serotoninluv You said on low doses you can get sub breakthroughs and very pleasant energies. Is there some value in it to go this slow baby step approach I am doing right now? Should I just jup to 20 mg or do 10 mg again many times until this heartbeating reaction stops and then move in baby steps upward?

Tested today again two times rectal, 2 hours were between these trips. Here is the first one: Set/Setting: in the evening, 5 hours no eating. Had a good shit before and in shower cleaned my ass. Took 7 mg hcl. During trip: After 5 minutes a litle tingeling maybe. Almost no effect. That was frustrating. Two hours later I tried again: Set/Setting: I had a little headache, maybe because it did not work before but I tried nevertheless. I took 10 mg hcl. During trip: After 5 minutes the effect came very fast. My heart was beating faster and faster, it felt like a panic attack. I could hear my heart beating very loud. This was uneasy, I did not know what comes next. My eyes were closed the whole time. A little fear arised, but this did not matched with the strong body reaction. I was not mentally really in panic but my body clearly was. For no reason. That was interesting. To go through this "panic attack" I concentrated on my breath and waited until the effects were gone. This was over after 3 minutes. During this time my thoughts were "I am not ready for this", "I dont want an ego death right now, because this is the point of no return", "I dont want to experience God or infinity, that is too much right now" Looking back on this: on the one hand I am happy that plugging works again. On the other hand, this was not pleasant at all. Am I doing something wrong? What should I do next? Should I do 10 mg again, I dont know... I just wanted to test 5 meo a little. I want this energy I had on 4 mg. This was so beautiful. Now on 10 mg I get a panic attack...

He is the Expert. He does not Do this to every body just to those who need it the most (addicts)

I have a syringe with 5 meo hcl mixed with 2 ml of water in my fridge since one week. For how many days can I store this? (I know it is not the best method to store 5 meo, just prepared one for plugging)

@Aaron p Great report, I envy you Sounds like these doses were not total overwhelming for you s that you dont freak out. I researched more about plugging. You really need to shit out everything directly before pluggig otherwise the fecal will absorb this substance What is in your fridge???

@Consept LOL never thought about that

Maybe I really need to empty my bowl. Not just shit before, I need to cleanse this