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@Ilya have you went away for a few days, alone, and not talked?

@egoless @Girzo that would be helpful to me also. Thanks!

@Stevo I’m no authority on it, just from my experience, mental equanimity first (through practices), then psychedelics to actually see it (from it / as it). When the psych’s kick in, if one has worry, fear, etc...that will prevent / block the ‘seeing’. “Willing to die” is a pinch strong, but I don’t know of a more accurate phrase. Godspeed brutha! Also, there is the social aspect to consider. Once you’ve seen behind the curtains, you can’t unsee it. So, you’ll see paradigms as they are in - in people’s minds - and you’ll want to explain this, but if they haven’t experience equanimity & the “Godhead” (or whatever) then there is no communicating it to anyone.

@zazed “almost impossible”? Or impossible? That’s kind of what I’m asking. What, in your experience, led you to favor many worlds, vs Copenhagen. It’s entirely possible that mw’s Has been proven to be the actual situation and maybe I’ve missed it. Either way, I’m interested to know. Thanks!

@Azrael right.. good stuff. Good luck to you!

@Azrael awesome. And ‘disidentify’ I presume?

@JohnLeyo i love it. I go somewhere I haven’t been, alone, once and a while. I find it profound. ❤️

@Azrael I like it. It strikes me as solid self inquiry, but with a guide / coach. I think it could be very useful. Taking the time is the most important thing! Could help someone who isn’t doing it on their own, due to not facing the fear of their buried past. Any distinguishments from this? https://www.scientology.org/faq/scientology-and-dianetics-auditing/what-is-auditing.html Also, I have witnessed the E-meter being used. It is helpful in the sense, it is very convincing to the subject.

@Dodo Claims that the practice spread suddenly to other isolated populations of monkeys may be called into question given the fact that at least one washing monkey swam to another population and spent about four years there and also the monkeys had the researchers in common. Amundson also notes that the sweet potato was not available to the monkeys prior to human intervention. The number of monkeys in the colony was counted as 59 in 1962 indicating that even in numbers no "hundredth monkey" existed.[1][8] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundredth_monkey_effect the fields are one explanation, the monkey swimming over, the humans bringing sweet potatoes, that’s another explanation. I’m asking, why and how is it, that no explanation prevails amoung the options. It never does, and never will. What do you make of this in the big picture so to speak? Like the collapse version in comparison to the many worlds version. @AleksM. ?

@Angelo John Gage God.

Why do you guys think it is that neither the Copenhagen or many worlds model ( or any of the others) have been ‘proven’ over the others? We probably all have our favorite, or our preference, but scientifically & mathematically, why do you think one has not risen above the rest?

@Amadeusz you get to do both ?

vulgar display of power.

@Tony Tellez who cares what people say. Write down what you want, write it out in as many steps as you can see. Hang it on the wall. It’s a huge help in staying focused. Meditate every morning to develop your ‘space’. When your ears hear the nay saying, realize it’s just their opinion, from their experience, and stay in your ‘space’.

@SaaraSabina this is a good place to share and talk about your experiences. I love the disappearing in meditation every morning. Makes for beautiful days. Blissful really. So many opportunities in terms of perspective. Keep sharing.

@SOUL it seems this is only answered in experience

@Spence94 that sounds awesome to me. I think you should continue pursuing all of it. I have never been a ‘one thing’ guy and each thing has worked out well.

@Shiva congrats!

@blazed https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oWgTqLCLE8k

@SOUL it’s the truth of what you are, what we all are. You can say it’s a jovial belief, but then, you still wouldn’t know what you are. Once you know, you could tell anyone and they can believe it or not, do their own discovery or not, but it doesn’t change that you know what you are.

@SOUL not for the teller.

@Afonso funny how life is that way.

@Matteo sorry - quantum mechanics.

@egoless In my experience, it is subtle, and unconditional, and elusively, easily looked passed. It’s found in the calm, and in the peace.

@SOUL it does when it moves from the belief category to the experience category.