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@molosku Thanks for sharing that. Reminded me of this video / speech, which I’ve always loved.

@Highest When you state that, about weed, have you experienced psychedelics?

@Faceless Thought is not enough. It’s far beyond thought. Thinking is for things like using your cell phone, which is practically impossible on even 2 grams of shrooms. Meditation can take us beyond / behind thinking. Clarity is a thought thing. Clarity is not synonymous at all with nonthinking.

Without ego, there is nothing to manage though. If the ego is truly dissolved, the union is constant, unconditional love is the default state of being. Enlightenment, in terms of going full circle, or returning to where one was to begin with, means God. It means one was never a separate thing to begin with, that was simply a perspective. The ego is behind the thinking of training it. This is a trick used to sustain itself, to sustain beliefs. The only way to hold the belief that one would always have ego is to not have experienced reality without it.

@Psyche_92 So, that teacher has never practiced meditation? Or self inquiry? Or contemplation? Or years of Yoga? Or took psychedelics? Yet, they are enlightened, are in a non dual state? I’m very interested in what, if anything, he or she did do that lead to their enlightenment. Care to share? On unwanted emotional experiences, I find only awareness will cure it. It’s all self imposed, and rooted in fear. A lack of awareness and self honesty is required for it to be reoccurring.

@Highest Great point. I can speak, at least, for high doses of psylicibin, and they rip away the ego and it’s beliefs. Self discovery is really a no-belief thing.

This is the reason self inquiry and mediation, etc, are suggested. When we hear what someone says, we’re in a position to believe or not believe, and some times people even skip the belief consideration and just say that now they know, based on what they’ve heard. The only synonym I come up with, from my practices, is unconditional love & absolute. Some say there’s just a void of nothing. Some say it just is. Some say we are not it. Some say we are it. There is still only one way to find out. Self inquiry is powerful. How does one know if they have sorted through their own beliefs, ego, assumptions, and got the bottom of things? I say it’s like being in love, you know when you know, it’s transcendent to thinking, rationalization, and communication. The real question is how dedicated is one to their own discovery of the truth, which requires radical self honesty in dealing with assumptions and ego. @Joseph Maynor I hear you on that! I went full circle (like 10 years lol) on the word God. It seemed like everyone I knew was using it out of ignorance, indoctrination and conjecture. I think your self honesty is priceless man. ??

@Joseph Maynor Judgement is the lazy mind’s way of perpetuating worry.

@Phillip Try to find the line which separates you and “God”.

@Slade equanimity.

@Moritz What a great attitude. Doing the ‘work’, open minded asking for insights. Awesome. I would just say keep going. It’s so worthwhile. Daily morning mediation (if you’re not yet) is powerful and blends so well with the shadow work and self inquiry. Exercise kicks it all up a notch too. Happy for you Moritz!

@The White Belt It’s really the same, but their forum has an upvote button. ? ...and one is belief in dogma, the other is self inquiry, meditation, and contemplation, primarily. “Our Truth”, vs “One’s own Truth”.

@Buba nothing will be the same, and Nothing will be the same.

@Buba There’s only one way to find out.

@expeditus From only having your post to go on, it sounds like you’re making a case for moving on. What is it that you’re afraid of?

@JohnLeyo both

@star ark Been there! Don’t sweat it. Even Einstein could articulate it, and formulate aspects of close proximity to it, but unfortunately (as far as I know) he never experienced it. The wisest book, is the one that when you open it, the center inside has been carved out, and someone put shrooms inside. Read that one.

I think what you guys were saying there, in the last 40 minutes, was also funny and I liked it.

@SaltyMeatballs Your avatar name reminds me of the chocolate salty balls song. ? You’re going gangbusters on thinking & solving, and maybe that approach has added the gravity of your whole life, on your mind. The answers don’t come from the illusion, they come from the source. They’re not hammered and forced into place. The powerful stuff is subtle. I would do something you enjoy. Something fun. Loosen up, relax. Let thinking about your life go for a day and get feeling good! Then, I would write what you want on a piece of paper, and sit and meditate. An answer, or direction, or way to go on this, will bubble up and you can even let each bubble go, and a better idea bubbles up behind it. If you want to discover what you love, you should consider that it comes from being in a state of mind that is of the same.

@star ark I’m an absolute kind of guy too ❤️ When I was younger, meaning wise, absolute to me referenced logic, rationality, “proof”, science, etc. Now it’s the whole, the Self. So maybe just consider a reversal of perspective - that you wouldn’t be ‘dissassociating’ - you would be associating with the ‘real’ you. Then when you get to work, it’s apparent everyone’s in a big ol hurry, slammin their hamster wheels into each other, and you’re taking more in, and time is slower for you, and doing less actually becomes more productive. May sound counterintuitive, but, maybe that’s a good sign.

@star ark imagine I ‘liked’ your post and made that comment and it revealed a lighter tone, almost humorous. You can most definitly be bodyless. The steps I mentioned are prior to the disappearing. Then breathing gets minimum on it’s own. I have no words for how worthwhile it is. It’s like non-gravity feeling, or weightlessness, or flying without movement or the sensation of air. Awesome way to start the day. Also, for what it’s worth, it doesn’t seem like ‘deep meditation’ to me. It seems like the ongoings of my day, with thinking, interacting, etc, are deep or heavier, and the meditation is light or nothingness.

@star ark I think you’re projecting, and you want to feel my body.

@Martin123 Thank you.

@star ark Not in my experience atleast. Takes some number of days to get to but then it’s repeatable everyday.

I do this daily. I think daily meditation and in the morning are key. Takes a while to acclimate. While maintaining focus on stomach breathing, I do waves of deep muscle relaxation, over and over, head to toe.