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@Joseph Maynor @Natasha Ha. Yes, I was going to say the same thing. Lack of open mindedness combined with projection is a pretty tough one to undo. We’re all enlightened in the end though. No worries. lol - isn’t everyone’s ex like that! ?

@Faceless Everything you just said, is reference of your experience. I was only asking about what I thought was a specific, and great experience, something to be cherished, and possibly shared - your experience of the One, of the change from materialism, to all as Self, seeing the illusion as it is for the first time, from living and dying, to eternal. This are fun topics for me. It sounds like maybe you were born enlightened, like the Dali Lama maybe. It’s interesting, pretty rare I think, just different than most. I hear you, not your thing and / or maybe you did not have what is being referred to as this ‘binary’ or definable experience, the big reveal. I don’t anticipate we all come into discovery the self in the same ways, that’s why I love to hear the stories. Perhaps you are just more fortunate than I can honestly comprehend. I don’t have any of the issues you mentioned, that’s why the story is worth sharing, for some people apparently. No worries. I’m good with both being in the now, without the monkey mind or thought baggage, and I enjoy sharing experiences too. I once biked 300 miles for a charity. When I’m talking with people who also love biking, we share our experiences...the hills, that one day with the 20 mph wind - uphill even! How great it felt to finish, in the rain even! How I had to change a couple flat tires. What our experience of ‘the miracle mile’ felt like, Etc. I just like sharing. We are different, that’s to be appreciated imo. ❤️??

@GrowingUp wow man. It’s like I knew that stuff, but it just clarified in my mind a lot more. Thank you. I have some close friends in that process, and not that I’m about to ‘help them’ (not that I wouldn’t, I’ve tried, and would help in a heartbeat) but you eased my concern on their behalf a lot with the clarity. ??

@Deep Yes. Success is the product (typically) of believing one can do what one set’s their mind to. No room for victim role, self doubt, etc. Yes to risks. I went into more debt than that to start a business. The only way to ensure not succeeding, is not to take risks.

@Faceless Uh...since you’re asking, yes, it seems like a smokescreen. Like I’m just asking, what was your experience with green like? The moment you saw green. And you’re talking about a whole different thing, anything but green. But again, clearly you’re not into sharing your experience, I get it. Sorry. Maybe it’s really personal to you, and I stand to be more sensitive to that, and to me it’s something that can easily be talked about, like anything else. I expand a lot from being very open. Different strokes for different folks. (Dropped a “folks” in there, @Joseph Maynor, I love when you say “folks” ❤️)

@Faceless That’s an easy one, both. You can be completely free. You can share your experiences with others. I am alone in crazyville right now. ?? Sometimes my wife says I’m open and direct, and people aren’t, and they get uncomfortable. That might be this. I do apologize if I was too forward or anything. I love you guys and I love the convo’s we get into.

@Shanmugam it’s fine man. Thank you. Obviously this a me thing I don’t get yet. No worries. I got 2 in the queue then yours, and I am very much looking forward to reading it.

@Joseph Maynor soooo...not into sharing experiences either? Is this like, a regional thing or something? Maybe I live where people do this? Lol

@Shanmugam The curiosity is killing me. Why is it that you don’t just explain the experience? Wouldn’t that be the most efficient way to communicate the binary factor? As in, once you see this, well, then you’ve seen it, so, it’s pretty black and white. Are you like maintains the mystery for him or somethings? lol. It’s like you’ll say anything but that. I love you’re writing, and where you’re coming from, I don’t think you’ll take this as offensive or anything, just crazy curious.

@Joseph Maynor I was asking about your experience, not theory. Kinda opposites.

@GrowingUp To me the chopping wood carry water is in regards to how you would be still living your life, outwardly appearing the same, but your experience is completely different. The first ‘chopping wood’, is like regular old just chopping wood, relatively mindlessly, asleep- then after, chopping wood is an amazing, inexplicable, miracle. Same with water. Before, it’s just like... water, nothing notable, no biggie. After, that water is you! Impossible, except there’s the water!!! Lol. You’d still be free to do whatever you want, like you already are now, the difference is that you would know there is only you, so there’s nothing to fear, there’s no self doubt anymore. There’s also the serendipity, synchronicities, etc ?Ironically, a desire to help others with their consciousness kicks in, as that is the highest calling for the love which has become obvious as primary. I don’t see it that you weren’t for billions of years, and now are, and then won’t be. What you are has actually been perfectly consistent forever, including right now, and will also be forever. The illusion has us seeing things otherwise, seeing ‘things’ at all. There’s a purpose in that you are, but no purpose in anything you do (existentially). No reason not to create meaning and purpose in our lives in accordance with our authenticity though. That’s what we’re doing. Distractions, (imo) relative to Leo’s video, are in terms of a steadfast complete focus on raising consciousness. In those terms, they range from taking too long to shit, to a marriage. If raising consciousness is the primary desire, everything and anything is a distraction. The point (again, imo) is to realize the degree we are distracted. We are very very sneaky in distracting ourselves. This might help someone realize, for example, that jerkin it, or playing video games, is what’s keeping them from expanding their consciousness. Wasting time. Being - you’re never not being. Mindfulness & awareness should be practiced 24/7. Meditation is a time of nothing-but-practice. We can work, drive, converse, study, developing & pursing life purpose, etc...and be practicing mindfulness and awareness. Can you share with me the cliff notes on the work that you do? What have you found that really works in terms of helping someone out of alcoholism? Thanks man!

@Joseph Maynor Dang it. Enlightenment is binary, and ultimately it’s not. It’s like saying that you were born is binary. Awareness in incremental. Ego dismantle is incremental too. It’s a classic case of both and neither. Lol. (IMO) Bad habits, shit beliefs, idiotic Ego attachments, stupid fears and superstitions, backward culture — all these take the rest of your life to root out and let go. imo, the bad habits don’t go, but are more easily changed...all the rest of that does go though. In one, binary, experience.

@Deep awww Deep!! Lol. Noooooooo ❤️

@Faceless Not trying to push ya, I hear you. I do want to clarify though, my intention was not a set up so to speak, asking for anyone to state wether or not they are enlightened. I get that. I was hoping we could share our actual enlightenment experience with each other. I’m more interested in that, then who can win the word battle. I’m probably the odd man out in that way right now though.

@BobbyLowell You can’t literally ‘become’ likable. “Liking you” is up to others, not you. Put how you feel as a higher (the highest) priority, and ironically, you’ll be more liked. There is an underlying attraction (non sexual) between people that is powerful. Frequencies attract to higher frequencies naturally, cause we all want to be happy. Happy people have much easier lives anyways. They’re like candles to moths.

@SOUL @Faceless @Shanmugam Seems like someone is stating they don’t want help, and someone is trying to help none the less. That semantic discourse, imo, is what’s been at play for the majority of this thread. Any chance you guys would share your personal story of your actual experience of enlightenment? Not so much what it’s like now, or the path, but the experience itself, when it ‘happened’? I think that would allow a much deeper understanding of where each other are coming from. The meanings behind the words would come out. Otherwise, it’s kind of a circle jerk. Not that there’s anything wrong with a circle jerk. Lol I know what is meant by the binary moment, there’s no question about God, the universe, my life, etc after that moment. But most people haven’t had that experience. So there’s a lot of back and forth with out every simply stating what it is we are talking about. Or tell me to piss off, too, that’s cool also.

@Preetom thanks for triggering me❤️

@Preetom I’m saying, they are two in the same. And that is beautiful, what you just said. Thanks for that.

@Joseph Maynor ??. #metoo. lol! ❤️❣️ Also, there’s no such thing as mass enlightenment. When you are free, all there is, is free. @Preetom

@Preetom Imagine you are the divine love and nothing else. And that everything sensed is your illusion. Hold that perspective to the best of your ability and let thinking fall away. Connect to the heart. Imagine that because you are aware of this, you perceive, naturally, someone asking questions, as an appearance in your own illusion, who is you, infinite love, but doesn’t know it. They think they’re the person in your illusion, so they, of course, have questions. See the humor in these....? ; ”when I am without my ignorance, will I know it?” ”How can there be infinite intelligence in DNA?” ”When I achieve the ultimate enlightenment, what will I know?” ?

@Preetom Yes! ❤️

@Joseph Maynor That could be a very very helpful realization of projection.

@MarkusSweden I think I’m hearing you on this Jim and where the world’s at. Like, you’re talking about him as a marker relative to the population median with suffering..? Personally, I have always loved Jim. I was a serious kid, teen, young adult - and I felt the authenticism in Jim’s goofiness even though I didn’t comprehend it. To me, just where I’m at, he’s leading, by too much. People need to let go, suffer less - get from 100 down to like 70....Jim’s at 0 and he’s loving it. I love to see him loving life. And the problems of the world; to me it’s like playing a video game. We like the excitement and drama, until it’s a little too much, and we’re a little too disconnected. So, then, we can take a break from it, meditate etc. This is life, and death. Experience, and contemplation / integration.

@WildeChilde anytime man. Godspeed with the situation. ❤️

Establish real love for yourself, and with the world. Then you can do anything.