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@Preety_India I love that ‘reality’ will never stop when I say when.

@Joseph Maynor lol! Nice

@Ether It seems to me the ‘on hands and knees’ praying is a mimicry, unbeknownst to those praying. Probably done in worship / action, inappropriately replicating what originated as being brought to your knees by awe of love / flow of love through the body.

@Saumaya literally just spit out my water. LMAO @Joseph Maynor Jo we love you! I hope you feel it! ❤️ @Saumaya Do you see it, now, by chance? It seems Jo’s addition here, on this post, right now, is coincidental with relation to you. It is not. It is completely, wholly, relative to you. If you saw it, now, you’d ‘spit your water out’ too.

@Saumaya Yes, but, the thing we are talking about, is at play right now also. Here’s a left field, different approach, might be communicative, might not. Google something that you don’t have any experience with, and know literally nothing about.

@Patang nice. There isn’t even freedom. ? There is Nothing we can not be free from.

@Saumaya Just what I see. I’m not the riddler. Lol. Due to the nature of individually experienced consciousness, there is no way to communicate this. I’m just a pointer on the buffet. An apostrophe. When we try to make an analogy, or example, the message is so easily lost. To try to do that though....lately on the forum, Sadhguru comes to mind. If one’s consciousness is relative to Sadhguru’s, then they see what he’s expressing, what he see’s. If one’s consciousness is not relative, in terms of proximity of experiences, they do not see what he see’s, where he is coming from in terms of experience, what he is communicating, and therefore they attempt to reduce Sadhguru to fit their own relativity. This is not a slight, it is how consciousness is.

@Shanmugam Yes. Thanks. It must appear to you that I am seeking, or ‘craving’, or ‘doing’? If it is enough for you to be understood - I do understand. Again, there is no obligation, no need to express. I appreciate your concern for my happiness. I am happy. I have been researching the body in terms of capacity for love and joy, because my face hurts from laughing, and spontaneous tears of joy are not the easiest thing, socially speaking. I do wish you well, there is no attack on you here.

@Saumaya Maybe unaware of maintaining complacency is a better way to say it, derived from lack of realization that all is the self, relative to the one communicating. An answer is no past, only aware in the now, when it suits. Then the opposite; an answer is a depiction and justification, by use of referencing the past, when it suits. Sometimes a quote from a mystic is used, when it suits. Sometimes sharing the story of how hard one’s life was before seeking, when it suits. I’m saying look through these justifications. Or don’t of course.

@Shanmugam Thanks. I agree, I understand what you define as the absolute. This is not my experience. Of course there is no reason to expect they are the same. I enjoy what you share. If you don’t enjoy what I share, if there is no value for you in it, I understand, and there is no obligation for attention to it.

@Ether I died, and I awakened.

@Saumaya Access of experience is relative to consciousness, that has never not been the case. What for someone is a known known, and another known unknown, for another is an unknown unknown. What someone is experiencing, communicated to another, is interpreted as impossible - so there is no sense in communicating the specifics, or examples. If there is no relative consciousness, then there is no way to communicate. You can look for it, discover it. Discrepancies and distinctions. This forum presents the opportunity to see this almost daily. With more consciousness, more perspective, more of what is there is seen. “Reality” is not the consistency it appears to be. It is relative to one’s consciousness, because it is literally, that same one. A couple suggestions, notice where individuals end in their conversations, see the patterns, contemplate why, and what would have been next had they not. Look at the justifications and rationality’s, they keep an individual’s consciousness in equanimity, sacrifices continuation of the expansion of their consciousness.

@Saumaya For starters, the rest of this life is left, and what it can be. Integration has not started yet. Embodiment has not started yet. This is because you have ruled them out, as assumptions, with thinking like, what more could there be after enlightenment. I understand, I was there.

@Saumaya There’s no separation between all and self, I’m using the word consciousness. Enlightenment is an entry point, not an ending. There is so much more. .

@Rilles There is a goofy, and very knowledgeable guy on YouTube I suggest. I think his name is Ken Tamlin, or Tamplin. Singing is all breathing. And emotion of course.

@Rilles Have you developed proper breathing, the three registers, etc?

@TheEnlightenedWon That’s what she said btw.

@Saumaya I’m being simple and clear. It is up to you, because all there is, is you. It is the simplest scenario possible, because it’s true.

@Ether I wonder how I every had a morning where I woke up and missed it. Puzzling. Now I know praying, on hands and knees, is a modernized action- a misinterpretation from an ancient reaction to this beauty. What was physically debilitating awe, has been reduced to wishes and asking.

@Ether everyday ❤️

@Saumaya up to you.

@Saumaya Yes. So do you understand that consciousness is access?

@Saumaya Do you know what I mean when I say you could tell someone what enlightenment is, and they can not understand you because they have not experienced it?

@Saumaya Of course enlightenment is permanent, “binary”, and then there is so much more. Until more consciousness is experienced, that binary change is of course referred to as “enlightenment”. Yes, the “seeking” is done. But the practices continue embodiment, depth of understanding continues embodiment, revealing, only by experience, that enlightenment was not the former binary experience, but rather embodying love itself. The change in awareness / identification - discovery one is all and eternal - this is a realization of what I was not, am not. It is not yet a realization of what I am. Samadhi is literal no thought, empty calm silent mind, this is the empty cup which fills with love - actuality. I think this would be clearer, forum wise, if there was a category of no-self actualization, followed by a category of self actualization. The Self is love, as is all other ‘things’.