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@Lelouch Consciousness work addresses the foundation, the Truth, ‘before’ experience, ‘before’ perspective. It could be analogous to climbing a mountain, the broader view (spiral dynamics) being added upon the existing view. Though it is not climbing, and there is no mountain of course. Like looking at only your pinky toe, and learning about it, inquiring into what it is, and discovering it’s actually a whole body! Even the eyes which see it. And of course, the eyes are the toe! “It's the room, the sun, and the sky The room, the sun, and the sky I've been waiting I've been waiting for this moment” Songwriters: Daniel R. Messe / Gary L. Maurer

What you’re yet to realize is the profoundity of the intimacy, the ‘youness’ of consciousness - the identity. You talk about consciousness as if it were something other than you. After realization of nonduality, it is perfectly sensible that you infinite, would be any you finite. They are the same. There are no answers for this ‘level’ in the illusion, and everything you can sense, every word anyone says to you, = illusionary. The Truth is in you. The path is self discovery.

Right in the deep feels. Thanks for that.

Great stuff man. That right there is awesome too. @Dinesh Karki Bullshit. You’ve got a wake of success behind you. Look at it, realize it; it brings more of it.

@Artimus Stop talking with them. Focus on self actualization. You’re wasting your energy on that family. Move on.

@NoSelfSelf Ya. ❤️ Hell yes. ❤️ A thousand times Yes!

@Mikael89 A change you want to make in life.

@Mikael89 I don't know This is the relavance of understanding there is no objective universe. You actually get to decide if it’s possible. Best advice I ever got...pick one thing, one change and simply write it on a piece of paper, and forget it.The next day, spend 5 minutes on it. It’s really eye opening.

@Mikael89 possible?

@cetus56 Take a viagra, get high, rub her feet, and do it.

@Mikael89 Just a note from my travels, but upon the first realization of nonduality, there was absolute clarity that thoughts are brain stuff (dream stuff) and the dream by and large is not a thought of the Being, but rather so far outside of what a brain could comprehend, because the brain is dream stuff. Direct experience from outside the brain is necessary, cause the Truth is incommunicable, and even if it wasn’t, it’s unbelievable - as in, no one could be expected to believe or fathom it. That, is death. Death is not a bad thing like society believes. But, you experience this, then try to tell people, and you just come off as arrogant, lying, ignorant, and someone starts talking about using it to justify suicide, etc. For one, crystal clear, for two - very messy.

@Faceless Seriously man, some really beautiful explanations there. ❤️ @cetus56 Awesome! ...and good luck!

@Faceless You’re aces in my book broheim. You can use reality in whatever sense you like. I’m experiencing me. Thoughts, reality, etc...me.

@Faceless You’re reiterating what I said. (“Loopy”....humor attempt...nonduality)

Using reality words to decribe reality? Seems loopy.

@Faceless Not takin my Chuck Norris bate!? Lol! ?

@Faceless ...and...?

Not knowing is honestly, humility, complete open mindedness, which by the nature of you asking about this, you certainly have. Knowing there is nothing to know, is from direct experience of transcendence of thinking, which includes all things that could be known. There’s just water, until it realizes it’s oil, and when it does, it transcends water, it inherently rises above the water. Not because it is superior, but because that is the nature of oil. From that perspective, all the water (thinking / knowledge) is revealed to be, water. “Be like water” - (Chuck Norris) And you’re already oil.

@Lelouch @Proactive I love posts like this. Nice.

Love this thread.

@Tearos You’re describing waking up, for many people. “Living is easy with eyes closed, misunderstanding all you see” John Lennon.

“It’s not what you think”..hilarious.

Pants on, both legs, same time. ??‍♀️

@Key Elements There’s Nothing to hear.

@Key Elements ok, thanks I understand what you’re saying. I think the Buddha just fully realized what he already is and psychedelics are useful for self realization. Once realized, in hindsight, the methods don’t matter at all, imo. But I think you mean in his ‘life’, beyond the realization, his compassion and giving, will psychedelics ‘help’ that, for Leo or the hypothetical Buddha. Yes, imo, dramatically. One could get hit by the lightening, and another can ‘do the work’ with enlightenment. Both are already the same, just different paths to realization.