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@WokeBloke The absence of a belief isn’t a belief.

Beliefs are veiling.

No broken self either.

It’s not a reference to someone. It’s a reference, only a pointing, to a direct experience. The pointing is like wind, in that it comes from no one, goes to no one, belongs to no one, and is not of anyone. lol yeah. Yes. If it can be affirmed that is not it. If there is no question, no doubt, then there quite simply & plainly, isn’t. Over here tripping on nothing doing electrical work. ?

Yes. That is why it’s so easy not to take thoughts seriously. That’s just a thought. It is better to get shot than live life in fear. It can’t be hard not to, because you aren’t experiencing that. There is no “in that moment”. There is no feeling “in that moment”. Feeling is always & ever only - right here right now. The ‘garbage in garbage out’ is applicable, but only realized & experienced with time away from the garbage. Focusing from such a place (discordant abstract thoughts) so to speak doesn’t create change. And yes, as you said, the guidance of creator creating creation is indeed felt accordingly.

@Mesopotamian Welcome to the mess. I’d have that cry and write that book if I were in your shoes.

I wanna say oneness, Nonduality, true beauty, love, readily seen in all things etc. But it’s ineffable and extraordinarily unique as well. It’s all that and more, and that more is only for you, and is a complete mystery until it unfolds in actuality. So when you ask the only honest answer I can give to you, with respect to you, is I don’t know, you have to find out. If you share it, then I’d at least have some idea of what your experience is like. The thought ‘seeing’ is as much actually seeing as the thought ‘third eye’ is as much the actuality of ‘what’s seen’. Also, on the flip side, ‘stuff in sight’ has more implication left on the bone. A contemplation of the opposite, ‘no ‘stuff’ in sight’ might be fun. Or funny. Potential there for both actually. ? ? Beautiful. I’d say third eye points to what you’re experiencing. Any affirmation though would of course be found directly, in the resonating. Sure sounds like it is to me. Degrees is a thought, implying differences & separations. Useful in creation, but doesn’t apply to third eye. Third eye is other worldly. What isn’t.

I hear ya, but if you head right instead of left, I’m an Easterner. If I do the same, you’re in the Middle West.

@Mesopotamian Hey! No nationalizing! It’s not a western culture or western concept at all. We have lots of ethical moral long term thinkers so to speak over here as well!

@soos_mite_ah I think you’re intuition is incredible and could not be more spot on, and all you’re missing is that the better feeling sought will never be found in thought / thinking, only in feeling. Try to look at it at a kindergarten level - of course feeling is found in feeling. If you desired water, you’d go to the sink. If you desire equanimity, better feeling, go to feeling directly. Put another way, the peace and love is what’s sought and it isn’t found in the content of the mind if you will, but in relaxation and cessation of thought activity, it is ‘found’ in what ‘the mind’ is made of. You might say it allows the u to naturally unfetter in the found, and results in a feeling you’ll be quite fond of. I’d shift the focus to understanding the emotions you’re experiencing. It’s inherently grounding, intrinsically emptying, and just feels awesome. Then, there is no more ‘going to thoughts’ to ‘cope’ because there is nothing discordant to lead to seeking coping.

@trenton The passion felt for an activity is awesome. The ‘becoming’, as in ‘becoming a professional chess player’ is the discord. Who / what you already are, is far greater than anything you could experientially “become”. It’s a deep delight to be so dialed into an activity or pursuit, realizing the talent more and more. When the passion & activity encroach upon identify, one is getting to ‘sucked in’ to the thoughts, or thought story of identity, or, of oneself. To balance this out, is to balance out the having identifying along the way. For the balance, to unfetter, get away for even a couple days, from everything which was or could be identified with or by. Two days of no chess, no books, letting all related thoughts come & go, and without your typical surroundings. This suggestion, when directly experienced, is found not to be adverse or against the interest of chess at all, but profoundly contributing to it. This ‘letting it all go’ is also available, as an example, during every entire shift at Kroger. That is more readily seen as available in the getting away from everything for a couple days. You could even witness from a higher & higher birds eye view, the entire function of Kroger, and see that it is essentially a financial & psychological chess game. Then the city, and so on, more and more bird’s eye.

No. No decrease at all. Might be helpful to think of nonduality as turquoise & behind. But only in a very loose framing sense, as spiral dynamics doesn’t actually exist in regard to nonduality. Not easily communicable, but as another loose pointer you could think of spiral dynamics as all self referential beliefs, with a lot of ‘othering’ subtle beliefs, vs one well aware of who they are and consciously creating their reality.

I’d say there is a direct correlation. Arrogance is the identifying, the ‘my’ intelligence, the claiming via the self referential belief the intelligence is ‘mine’. Humility on the other hand is truth. If you feel the discord, slow down and notice it, as not to unknowingly adopt conjecture. Feel the difference, of humility, while witnessing others carry on arrogantly. Apply common sense, in that they are not experiencing any success. Know that by how you feel in witnessing it. While it may look like that from the outside depending on how you’re measuring or thinking about success, see (feel) the obviousness in your own feeling guidance, that they are experiencing intense discord with such a misunderstanding, just like you would be if you believed the same. To solidly your understanding of this, notice the things, people, substances, etc, they use to compensate for the discord of the carrying of the belief / self image / false identifying. This ‘claiming’ is living life through the delusional lens of ‘the separate self’, and life gets reduced to a means of upholding the claim via self image and manipulation. Again, might look like success, but… notice it’s most likely that very person who is telling you what success is. Have compassion as you realize they truly do not feel or know success at all.

Procrastination, in the way you’re using the word, is self referential judgment. It feels off because it is off, as in because it’s not true about you at all. Similar to someone identifying / believing the thought “I have an anger issue”, or “I have a confidence issue”, or “I have an esteem issue”, the energy zap is due to the discord of believing the thought is about you / identifying with, or by the thought. It’s not about you, it’s about you understanding the emotion you are experiencing, boredom. The significance of realizing it’s not about you, but about the emotions you’re experiencing, is that when the belief is acknowledged it is inherently let go, and you are thus unfettered, and the true nature if you will, better feeling, inspiration, etc, naturally arises. There is nothing you can do which will work as a supplement to letting the belief go. To let it go means noticing you’re behind it, as awareness aware of the thought, and of the emotion. You’ll notice that when you focus on a discordant thought (about yourself) you zap your energy. There is no effort or fixing involved whatsoever. There is nothing to ‘go through’ etc. Letting go feels like relief. Acknowledging you are experiencing the emotion of boredom frees you of it, and naturally results in then experiencing contentment.

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@Nadosa ? Much love.

@diamondpenguin OMG yes.

I don’t experience fear at all. It’s from inspecting direct experience and thoughts and a clear understanding of emotions and how to create them. In this experience ‘for me’ is thought(s). With enough inspection it’s found fear isn’t objective, or ‘out there’, it’s created or not by each one.

@SQAAD Hope it doesn’t sound like I’m being critical or anything. Only saying this in the vein of bringing an end to suffering (fear)… there really isn’t a future. No one’s ever experienced a future. Thoughts arise about a future, or a past, but the key to ending suffering is direct experience, and realizing only the thoughts are experienced, and only now, and not an actual past or future. The relevance of recognizing this is that it leads to recognizing your true self, and suffering is then no longer possible. Takes time of course, I know. On a most practical note, there’s an old saying ‘garbage in, garbage out’. Be sensitive with what you put in front of you. It does shape views & interpretations. And there’s a lot of relief and peace in regard to the future, of basically just saying ‘I don’t know’, so fuck it, I’m gonna live today like it’s the last.

Everyone’s as real as you, and yes, all that is, is ‘consciousness or field of awareness’. And yet, nonduality isn’t a paradigm. Nonduality just means not two. So it doesn’t define, point to, or even imply what is, only what isn’t. Duality, is a paradigm. And also not. If you look at your hand and cover up your palm, it looks like five separate fingers. If you uncover your palm, they’re really all one. Don’t believe what you see. Check direct experience to verify these thoughts / inquiries. Think the thought whatever it is, then the opposite… see if anything changes at all. If thoughts don’t seem to make any difference, see about meditation. ‘Empty your cup’. Don’t believe what you think.

@SQAAD Expressing, questioning, inspecting, understanding, and liberating, like you are, is the healthiest course of action anyone could take imo.

I find this to be the case in direct experience. It’s not a concept or translation, it’s a linguistic communication, a pointing. With respect, I realize this ‘flies in the face’ of many teachers, but, there is literally no such thing as fear. One makes it up and believes it, and interprets experience accordingly, or one doesn’t. The fear would be guidance in regard to the thought. Those things aren’t happening in direct experience. The thought is. Also, a belief is. The belief is that the things you mentioned happened in a past. That also is not indicative of direct experience. In accordance with direct experience there is no evidence whatsoever that there is a past or anything that ever happened. That belief is in actuality, a thought arising, now. Like anything & everything else.

Next time just say no. Rather than the universe is against you. Likewise, the universe isn’t giving anxiety. Inspect the actuality of anxiety, get to the bottom of what it is, how it functions, etc. If you want, say no. You didn’t have to. It’s nice, and maybe you wanted to, but you didn’t have to. The universe is good.

@diamondpenguin Yes I agree. But not just in regard to woman, in regard to everything desired. That ‘one thing’ is simply - not suppressing emotions. Listening instead. Via conjecture, there are now ‘two things’, with the second being not listening to someone else who is doing so and being convinced by them to do the same thing.

What I’m saying about suffering, and inspecting direct experience, and misinterpretation is applicable to bringing clarity to that misinterpretation, of that experience. In direct experience I do not find a ‘my mind’, or a ‘my memories’. I find only direct awareness of thought, perception, and sensation. In direct experience, any notion of ‘losing’, or ‘losing something’, is a thought, and is not actually some thing, which could be lost. In direct experience, fear is emotion, and is guidance, and ‘tells me’ that the thought I’m focusing on (losing my mind) is discordant, or, not indicative of what is true and actual. Are you able to see how this misinterpretation was projected onto others, via depression, horror, etc? That ‘a line’ was crossed, so to speak, away from the actuality of direct experience, and into projecting a ‘knowing’ of the direct experience of others. In direct experience, depression is a thought, and is not sensation or perception. Depression is not an emotion, and turning to emotion, which is guidance, would have been ‘telling me so’ the entire time. Are you able to see what I’m saying here? Without believing the thought ‘my mind’ (as if there is this thing ‘my mind’), and recognizing that it is a thought… the fear would be ‘telling you’ - that thought isn’t true. The potential realization could have been, and still could be right now, that one is that which is appearing as ‘my mind’… and thus one can not actually lose, oneself. Do you also see how that is conjecture? As in, the misinterpretation is not something that you created, or came up with, but is a misinterpretation that you learned, which arose upon experiencing the trip? Likewise, do you see how sharing, and thus supporting, what doesn’t feel good to you, does not lead to transcending suffering? Do you see the role projecting one’s own discord, vs inspecting & understanding direct experience plays here? As in, one can not focus enough on suffering to feel better, or help anyone else…?