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@SoonHei What’s an I?

@Strikr Went to the void, heard you there. Sorry I didn’t before. If you can see me not as a ‘moderator’ or ‘teacher’, but as the same, would you please help me with how I could have stated that (above) more simpler, more accessibly? Thank you

Fair enough. You know I love ya, and I sure hope you know how much I love & appreciate ever word you type, I really, really do. Perhaps this maya appears critical, but also, perhaps not. What if, in self discovery, the mind could not possibly be too critical? What if loa encompasses materialism, and the paradigm of true / false, as does nonduality. Would desire not be an entirely different magnitude, than limited to thought of desiring material objects? Is there a stratosphere where thought and wisdom appear to take place, appearing in the actuality of only One? What if this can be “checked”, but only by a “checker” who desires to check, and what if upon “checking”, an otherwise unfathomable unification occurs, which encompasses true / not true, right and wrong, me and you, techniques & practices, desire / no desire, desire to love / denial that to love is desire and desire is love, any thing “internal” or “external” / no thing “internal” or “external” - and the “checker” is what’s checked? What if there is mistaking self appearing as “things” which could ever be a substitute for divine love, and there are no longer “things”, but all things are already self, divine love. Is it not always the eye of the beholder? Is there an off switch for the collapse? Is there not the possibility of the disappearance of anything external, revealing a ‘substitute’ was never a possibility, but only a thought? Is it not possible that you have created the entire universe, the appearance of “reality”, using only loa, and perhaps, through the simplicity of unchecked involuntary breathing, have maintained the appearance of a separate “me” person, from a “me” source? Is it a possibility, that there is no such thing, ultimately, as ‘surrender’, as you, are already, that which could be surrendered to - that which only in thought, could be “surrendered to”, as “surrender” transpires, in thought? Is it possible that there is no such thing as a “future”? That you are already manifesting all that is experienced - so effortlessly, so divinely, using only your divinity, that you could not even realize you are doing it? Is it possible, that you are so convincing in your appearance of reality, that though there appears to be a past & future, there is only you, now? What if loa was bigger, deeper, more powerful than thought of desire & materialism? What if every person was well aware, no longer asleep - creating their own reality? Would we see a society such as we currently do? The competing, the division, the appearance of separation - the ego? What if, the appearance of separation was understood, and accepted - a given - not on the thought, human, level - but on the reality level? What if each is not a person in appearance, but rather each is a reality in appearance? That would mean there is no objective reality. In every person being aware they are the one, every person aware they are the dreamer & the dreamt - would there still be anything left to fear? How could there be fear, when one is already that? Would a world without fear see desire as simplistically limited to materialism? Would the One then experience a new, unbounded experience of appearing realities unified in understanding that transcends even faith? Is that possible? What if loa is not the subject to be checked - but rather the mind which attempts to check it? Possibilities, that’s all I’m proposing. We are in love, and therefore we are in complete agreeance. From the depth of my heart man, I cherish such conversations in which we, together, come to know our self. Thank you Solace!

Did these understandings come from a teacher (which one?), from thought, from contemplation? Also, to connect this to the thread on the spirituality video (haven’t watched it yet)...was turquoise orange previous to turquoise? If turquoise, let’s say, awakens a thousand people, through unconditional love, was this turquoise person egoic as orange, but not as turquoise? If not, what makes that make sense?

Direct experience, or belief? ??

@NoSelfSelf Might want to try em without intention / expectation first.

@NoSelfSelf Have you taken any before?

@Kosmos “Gauranteeing as a right” - seems obvious now, very nice! Great vision. Not sure society could fail us, it is us. Thanatos didn’t “fail” imo. I don’t think he sees it that way either. Wonder if it will ever be possible that there are so many more rights, that the system of laws and rights would be unnecessary, an enlightenment tipping point maybe. It sure wouldn’t hurt to have more feminine influence in society. The moderator comment...sorry....yes I’m a moderator, happy to be, just not so much a status in the sense there are levels, or ranking, more keepin an eye on name calling, pretending we know stuff, spam, etc.

@Kosmos Yes welcome to the forum, great to meet you, yada yada ? You make some great points there. Sounds like we are aware one can only fail one’s self, which is mystical on it’s own I suppose. I think I was taking mystical as in absolute, rather than paranormal / inconsistent reality. How many meditators have a nondual experience is a fantastic question. In that light, I totally see and agree with where you’re coming from. It’d make a great pole. Just for the record, I am not a moderator.

@Lynnel If you become enlightened, what do you think would be different? What would you do diffferently? What would you hope for in terms of change? (I realize I’m asking you to speculate)

@Shogun Holy fucking shit man.

@Kosmos Mysticism doesn’t answer questions, but uncovers the limitations of ‘knowing’. If it answered the question, it wouldn’t be mystical. No?

@Thanatos13 You are creating your own reality. Prove me wrong.

@Strikr Yes, of course they’re the same. It is also worthwhile to create a difference. The difference I see is conversationally (forum) answers are coming from maya, and usually heard, occasionally understood, and rarely realized, - most often reinforcing the illusion, but in contemplation, answers arise from the “higher self” or “higher consciousness”, the contemplator realizes the falsity of the question, rather than mulling over choices of answers (which could go on forever). Though what’s at play is consciousness, and the creation of your own reality. The likelyhood of discovering that, and realizing it on the forum is pretty low, as the attention is on thought. The likelyhood of realizing this in contemplation, is inevitable. This is why I suggest the distinction of lower, and higher, in practice. Most of what you wrote there, I struggle to understand, sorry. It sounds accusatory, but of what I am not sure.

@Torkys Not sure how much, or which.

@cetus56 ?? It is me! Lol

Low conscious: Asking for answers to your questions. High consciousness: Contemplating & Self Inquiring until there is no longer the question.

@cetus56 Just me, or, kinda looks like a heart?

@Serotoninluv Does this model fit iyo?.....Concentration is a function of the brain, relative to the activity (from over thinking to samadhi). Distraction is concentration with over thinking, single point focus is concentration with little to no thought activity....Awareness is - it is how we can talk about the brain, thoughts, and concentration.

@SageModeAustin (op) Entirely possible. There is beauty oozing from every person. Hard to miss with the heart, easy to miss in a brain/penis paradigm. Lol.

@Robert ??☺️

@Tetcher If I may offer a view, pointing at the variance between advice of unenlightened not giving advice, and giving advice and declaring one’s self unenlightened, points at your current predicament. So, what are you holding onto? What ‘triggers’ you? What do you seek to attain? What is fear, to you? What repeating thought patterns of past & future, take you from now ? Let’s take a look, and uncover freedom. ?

@Andreas Do things, unconditionally, even anonymously, for other people. Do not accept anything in return.

@Devil Excellent inquiry! Now apply the filter of thought/belief, or direct experience. Also very helpful to make a list of what you are ruling out.