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@sausagehead ?

@Mikael89 That is one solid argument dude. Nice.

@Paul92 Definitely not trying to convince. Definitely telling you to do the work.

I understand. It is not a small thing we’re talking about here, psychologically speaking. The flipping of reality in the revelation of the True Self is as lofty as it gets. When I said ‘inspecting beliefs and getting honest & vulnerable’, I mean in total, all the way, through all fears, ‘done to’ Nothing. The humility required is that of seeing you are not actually dealing with torture, but thinking and fear. Notice even the sneaky subtle usage of projection, in that there is a “Zen Master”. That is not a separate self, or individual being - that is your mind projecting as a protective mechanism, to maintain that you, relatively speaking, are not a “Zen Master”. Hopefully you see what I’m pointing at there. This is often a triggering comment, but that can be good if properly interpreted...you’d have to be honest with yourself to the degree you recognize a thought is a thought, and that’s all it is. The terror of being ‘tortured or whatever’ is not an actual problem you’re experiencing. Overthinking, and identifying with thought is the problem at hand. This is micro level of distinction & nuance that needs to be realized. On one hand it sounds void of compassion, as if I am blowing off the suffering of people tortured. On the other hand, liberation does require such acuity and awareness that a thought is just a thought, paradoxically going full circle to knowing the true self, and then compassion is inherent. If you have realized you’re not the body, also see that the thoughts are of the body. Look at you hand for example, knowing you are not your hand, and also realize you don’t believe the thought “hand”. It’s a learned word / definition / symbol. Notice the thought “hand” has been repeated so many time effortlessly that is is now taken for granted. You’re not what a thought says you are, no matter what the thought is. Thinking and identification is the sneakiest most cunning little game imaginable. Deception will put you through levels of identification with superpowers, identities like “teacher”, “Master”, etc. These are titles for the seekers benefit, not the enlightened one. Do you see what I’m saying there? The separate self will identify with higher and higher thoughts in fighting for it’s continuance. It does get brutal, but it’s worthwhile.

@Aeris If you google ‘Leo Gura money psychology’ there’s actually 3 or 4 great videos. I’d start with “The Inner Game of Mastering Money”. Book wise, Ask & It Is Given and Think & Grow Rich are pretty solid. It is one heck of a paradigm flip (at least it was for me). Excited for your discovery!

Great point man.

You can’t escape that possibility because it’s not actually grounded in truth. You would have to do the consciousness / self realization work to realize that you are not the body. @Paul92 The True happiness of self realization is much deeper and richer than relationship love. Imagine discovering reality itself is made of Love. It’s pretty awesome, something I never could have thought or believed, but it did require the work of inspecting beliefs and getting honest & vulnerable. I hear you and respect your perspective though in that doing the work is not your path. I hope you realize you can find happiness. ??

@Paul92 Maybe you made your happiness contingent on having that girl. I feel for you. You can be happy without her though. It was just a belief. Also, you didn’t really understand the analogy, you’re reasserting the same beliefs. Nihilism is a thought, not realization. The realization is wonderful. Best of luck to you in any case.

@oMarcos What do you think of Maslow’s pyramid? Take a google if you’re not familiar with it.

@Joseph Maynor You have skin in the game.

It’s much like thinking. You can’t really stop thinking, and you can’t be unconditionally happy. You can do practices in which thinking subsides, and you can inspect your conditions allowing your true nature to surface. Your health will thank you. By letting all of your thinking go, you will realize the answers to those questions.

@Paul92 Your interpretation is conceptual - thinking - an interpretation. You are believing your idea of nonduality is the same as the direct experience. Like if you texted someone your thoughts about being on stage, playing guitar, etc - in comparison to that person actually being on a stage playing guitar with a band. Do you see how ENORMOUS the difference is? If that person confused the two, they’d be thinking your words about playing with a band are the exact same thing as if they actually played with a band. So they would say things like, “Why would I bother playing with a band, I already know what it really is”.....and you’d be like “nope. No. No sir, that is not the same thing.” This is what you are doing with nonduality, but you don’t seem to see it. Or you do but won’t honestly admit it.

@Paul92 Are you able to make the distinction between hearing about something and experiencing it? Like if someone told you sex was pointless and terrible, and then you experienced it directly and knew for yourself what is really was, for example. That’s what you have going on here. You’re projecting & experiencing denial. That is a tough combo because someone in denial truly does not know it. Psychoanalysis is made for this. Everything people are suggesting would help you with the specific things you are struggling with. But you’d have to stop projecting your existing belief that counseling won’t help, there’s no point in doing the work because you already know there’s no point, etc. We made a whole thread of personal experiences showing how many of us were where you are, and how utilizing resources, and doing the work - worked. (Happiness, Wholeness) Do you have it in you to be humble, to admit you don’t really know what these things you’re talking about actually are? Is there any willingness to question your existing beliefs, as to how you really know they’re true? Can you be vulnerable enough to question your beliefs, to discover they are the source of your suffering? Is there the open-mindedness & honesty to take that first step, and admit there is suffering? Imo, you should be talking to a therapeutic professional, and your parents (honestly and openly), but in light of your resistance to do that...know that I’m available to talk, or simply listen. Hit me up anytime. Unfortunately I feel you will find a reason to box me out too...but for what it’s worth...Can you just consider that a guy with plenty of responsibilities, who is asking nothing of you, no money, no commitment, nothing in return, simple wants to help....can you just consider that perhaps you have been wrong about nonduality...perhaps there is a Love to be discovered which is so wonderful and moving, that people actually just want to help? You have the same access to this Love. It’s just a matter of trying.

@thesmileyone Get back to basics. It may not appear easy but it is not complicated. Existentialism is not helping the overthinking. Meditation is the Way.

@Farnaby No. I’m saying everyone is a one off. Try different diets, then you’ll know. I also found meatlessness, and dairylessness more ideal.

@Farnaby I think if you try different diets you’ll know what you need to know from direct experience in terms of clarity and energy.

@zunnyman You should wait 10 years before, so there’s less risk of breaking yourself.

Leo’s got an excellent video on money psychology. Abe Hicks has a lot of great material on this as well.

@Shroomdoctor ??

Yep.

@Swagala No words can teach better than suffering. Rather than pity, seek to understand, and once you do, you will realize the organic nature of compassion.

@abrakamowse The Cosmic Joke.

@Matt8800 The juice of this thread gets sweeter by the minute. God bless. ??

@Hellspeed YES! ....like a bird across the night.