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@Homo Lucens Being sort of argumentative for fun and the sake of the convo....I’d offer that I have directly ‘experienced’ (been / and am) consciousness during sleep, without anything at all serving as something to be conscious of , and that his reference to consciousness basically equating to reflection, or the knowing of knowledge, specifically involving the brain - that consciousness requires something to be conscious of - is missing a deeper dive into the fundamental self, and the heart of nonduality. It strikes me as there’s a possibility there is ‘scientist’ bias at play.

@dimitri That sounds very in tune man. You’ve obviously contemplated the nature of thoughts & creation. Something to question, along the lines of the thread...what differences can you see, between the experience of your birth, and of seeing / experiencing other people being born?

?...and there was but one set of footprints. I once meditated so deeply into consciousness, that I became a wolf.

@Recursoinominado That’s what she said.

Start with what you can directly experience. Look at your hand, and notice “your hand” is a thought (conceptual). Then look at “that”, understanding that “my hand” is a thought. What is that?

Because you are not-two. Ditto.

@Homo Lucens Welcome to Crazytown. What kind of differences did you guys come up with?

@dimitri What was that thought, the one which was outside of you - separate of you - clearly, not you ? The one which was - a ‘part’?

If you like it, definitely check out their channel. Gem ridden. ♥️

@dimitri Nice kite. And what is a thought, really ?

@dimitri That’s a great one. Also, do you see how a flying kite...is really the wind. Ice, is really, water. Right? Make sense?

@SidBySide It’s not a riddle. You are the sneakiest being that has ever been. Literally. There has never been anyone as sneaky as you. There is not even a close, or distant second place. The world does not cause your thoughts, your perspective, nor your feelings. You choose your perspective. When it does not feel good, when your inner being tells you it is not true, rather than listening to the sensation, you use the entire world to justify the continuation of - choosing your same, “right & accurate”, perspective.

@dimitri What’s an example of something which you call one thing (a name / label / word), but you know it’s actually something else, something underlying?

@dimitri ♥️ indeed!

@dimitri Infinite intelligence is more efficient than that (op). You don’t need to imagine you were born, you only need to believe you are not the thought, “my birth was imaginary”. You are that thought.

@dimitri Why are you believing your birth was imaginary?

“I’ll pay no mind to taunts or advances...I’ll take my chances on; good love fight for; - everyday.”

Siddhartha did not become The Enlightened One. The Enlightened One was never really ”Siddhartha“.

Infinite Humor.

That “become” part is misleading, more of a relative untangling of the relative added, to see that it was always absolute. Someone else can not become enlightened. Could a _________ (some thing) become enlightened (no thing)? No.

Lot of layers.

A pop up book.

@Grant NZ ?? Watch the movie Patriot’s Day. I’d be interested to know if you found some relief and a change of perspective.

The suffering is the not wanting. What do you want? Start your dream board. This could be the first day of a completely new life. One in which you blow the doors of this place.

Sneaky.