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@arlin I don’t know really. What happens if you laugh about it, if you were just believing a thought. How do you feel? Is there suffering there ?

@Beginner Mind ” I “ can’t.

My reality is a dream. In my dream of reality, there is no such thing as a ‘true thought’, because there is no thing as “a thought”...it’s actually, dream. This reveals that there are therefore, no true thoughts, about me...as those thoughts too, are dream. I must therefore be, “the dreamer”, and the total, or entirety, of the dream itself...rather than what appears to be in the dream. (Nothing is in a dream. That, is dream too...the meaning for “in”...is dream) With all the love in the world my Good man....that’s false. It is one thought. That is the actuality. The ego is that one thought - believed. The “content”...”machine”...is not true. The subtle implication is that a “machine” is a thing, implying “the ego”, is a thing. But it’s not, that is just one thought. In believing that first one thought, this thought, which appears to be linked to that first thought, is also believed. So now we’re believing there is a thing, “machine”, which is separate, and “running things”. But in actuality, there was one thought, and then there was (again) one thought. The two thoughts have no link, nothing at all to do with each other. In believing they do...we are “entering a thought story”...by believing the thoughts, and believing they’re linked. The “congruency”...is illusory. Only in doing this, can there then be the belief...”everyday lives”. It is only in this believing these thoughts, and believing they are linked, that what’s coming next can follow suit....... Notice how you got there, by believing the first two thoughts, and believing they’re linked, congruent. That led to the next thought being believed...”survival”. Now that thought is being believed, and also being believed to be linked to the other thoughts. Now there is another one thought. As it is being believed, and the linkage is also being believed...there can now be the identifying as this linkage. Notice though, it was one thought at a time. No linkage. This gets you to this point, where having identified with the thoughts...actual you appears to be separate. So now, there can appear to be a problem. That, is one thought. It has nothing to do with the prior thoughts. Only in believing each arising thought, and the story unfolding by believing they are linked...there can be this “ it “....which is “prone to” self destruction. Without believing that first thought, “the ego is necessary”...this thought would not occur. There is no opportunity for the thought “self-destruction”, without there being this belief in being separate from that which destructs a separate self. That, is one thought. I, in reading this, experience the sharing of each one thought. I am not experiencing the story of it, because I didn’t believe the first thought. In believing the first one thought, then the following one thought, etc...a story is weaved & believed. Only due to this, this next one thought arises. Notice though, now we have given more separation, more life, to this “separate self”. We are now referencing with “ it “, as if there is this “thing”, which “evolved”. That is the content, the story...being believed. There is no such actual “ it “. “ It “ is a series of one thought ‘s. Not believing & linking the thoughts....there’s no “it”, and therefore no “dysfunction”. There can be no dysfunction of an it, if there is no it. And there is no, “it”. There’s no ego to be “solved” or “corrected” or “fixed”. There just is no ego. When a thought arises implying there is...without believing that one thought...it is clear that there isn’t. ...then one is believing these exact, “story of the separate self”, thoughts. Actual: One thought at a time arising. Appearance: They are all linked, there appears to be an “ego” by believing the thoughts, which makes me “the separate self”. (Not really though). Now, one thought arises, which has the content of giving credit to this “entity”, the “ego”...the “machine”...but there isn’t really. It was just one thought, believed. Didn’t feel good then, isn’t feeling better as we go, because it is a tour into falsity right outta the gate (first thought). Without the believing of the first thought, there is no “ego”, no implication believed of a “separate self”. Without the belief in those, there is no “others”. Without the belief “others”, there is simply no possibility to “push anything or anyone away”. The guidance of this clarity has been present this whole time...feeling. But feeling is being missed, because the thoughts are being taken at their face value - content - believed. Now this one thought arises. But, without believing the prior thoughts, there would be no “story” weaved of them. Without that story, there could be no “problem”. Without that “problem”, this one thought, would not have arisen, and there not be the one thought that a “solution” is now needed. All thought loops are in believing thought. Feeling will cut through it. Were feeling first from the beginning of this, there wold have been no “pattern”. It would have been one thought, which didn’t feel good, and a better feeling (truer) thought would have been chosen. Then, there is no pattern, and therefore, no need to “break” it. There’s no pattern, or breaking a pattern. There is believing this one thought. Right now. Not this story. Not these old thoughts. They’re gone, done, passed. They have nothing to do with the thought which about to arise next. It is spontaneous, and free of all implied meaning. It can be led by feeling, and worked up the emotional scale, and this one thought which is arising next, can change everything. The believing of one thought, then another, as if they are linked. That’s all. Without believing the thought, “programmed”, there could not be this perspective. Without believing the thought, “failure”, there simply would not be this perspective. Inspect. What was your direct experience, of “being programmed”? What is “failure”, actually ? (Just a thought, linked with another thought, “me”) In this story of separation, there arises another seemingly linked thought...”supposed”. Without believing the very first thought “we all have this machine in us called the ego”...there wouldn’t have been the implied separation, and therefore could not be the thought believed “supposed”. What is your direct experience that everyone else has this going on inside of them? That is one thought. Believe it, or choose a better feeling, truer to you, thought. How can you believe that, if you didn’t believe the thoughts which led to the believing there is a separate self?

Happy for you that you are expressing about this. It is that single phrase right there which stands to set you free. It is not other people, it is your thought about other people. That, is how you liberate from the cycle of anger.

@Beginner Mind If the thought doesn’t feel good, let it go. Nothing to do with “awakening”.

You’re not attracted to....you’re what is attracting.

@zudrush Current paradigm: Looking to the content of thoughts. Choosing perspectives / statements of what I don’t want, and ignoring the feeling. Write on a pad of paper, everything you now know that you do not want. Then, derive the opposite - what you do want, and write every bit of that on your dream board. New paradigm: When a thought arises, I listen to how it feels, and choose thoughts which are aligned with feeling good. The dream you want will unfold. Insights start coming. The journey is enjoyed. “Don’t think of a pink elephant”.... What are you thinking about...a pink elephant. “Do think of a green bear”.....What are you thinking about....a green bear. ”I don’t want X”.....You’re still focusing on, X...what you don’t want. Guess what you get more of in experience... what you’re focused on. Takes a while to “reprogram”...to focus on what you do want. But, everything changes, in accordance with what you do want.

@mandyjw I know, right?! Dream board, let resistant thought go, life unfolds in kind. “Buuutttt I gotta think about other people, and of what other people think about me though!!!” (God sized face palm....aka....sensation)

The feeling might be in regards to the way you are thinking, rather than inherent in the content, or the ‘things’ you’re thinking about. “Wait, what do you actually mean? Could you elaborate on this further?” If you think about cutting your fingers off...sensation wise, feeling is “not good”. But, sensation is actually Good. As in, the feeling is guidance, saying, “no, don’t cut your fingers off”. So, you wouldn’t do it. If you think about someone being sad, it is actually your thought about someone else, which sensation is responding to. So, you would choose a better feeling thought. Suffering is that sneaky. The content of the thought seems to be true. The actuality is that you are choosing a thought, which does not feel good to you, and using the thought / “someone is sad”, to justify ignoring the sensation (feeling / guidance). When we ‘go to’ the feeling, as the guidance that it is, there is simply the letting go of the thought which doesn’t resonate with us. When we ‘hang on to the thought’ / ‘believe the thought’, in spite of the guidance of feeling...we suffer. When the body is releasing suppressed feeling....and we believe the thought about it...we then label the feeling guidance fear...and miss the opportunity to be free of the “bad feeling”. (Which isn’t actually a bad feeling at all - that is just the thought about it) Or...something happens, I don’t understand the feelings...so I create identity...thoughts & beliefs about who I am and how the world is...which doesn’t feel good. It doesn’t feel good or right to me, but I did it anyways, I believe this about me anyways. Later, I am older, a bit more knowledgeable & conscious...and this old identity (beliefs) come up. If I continue to believe the thoughts, I continue to suffer. If I stop believing the thoughts, the feeling ‘purges’ via love, and the understanding about what happened, arises. As a testament to how sneaky thought can be....I might be thinking about “free will”, “God”, all kinds of existential stuff....virtually anything other than - “wait...maybe....I was wrong in the very first place...about how I understood thought & feelings”. Maybe this is what people are talking about when they say “attachment” to thoughts is suffering. Maybe, you’re sort of attempting to “detach from yourself”.....when what would end the suffering, is just not longer believing those thoughts about yourself. (Simply...because they don’t feel good to you. The real You...not thoughts about you.) ♥️ Thought could be sooo sneaky....that I get “busy” believing the thought “there is no free will”.....rather than just seeing I can let this thought which doesn’t feel good, go.

@Beginner Mind The you aware of sensation (feet, palms) is awareness. Fisherman are fishing, dog sitters are dog sitting - awareness is aware. It’s that simple. Awareness did not find a separate self, an “ I “. Simple. You are already obviously the awareness. Now notice you don’t have to believe thoughts, like “my “. Or “feet”. Or “palms”. Meditation is for letting go of thoughts, making it easier and easier to discontinue the old paradigm, of believing them. Of course, as you let go of believing the thoughts, and concepts...attachment, identity...you actually “become” / experience...The Beginner’s Mind. Is everything always working out for you or what?! Nice.

God said don’t eat of the tree of good & evil (judgement) and of course we did, and created suffering (duality; good & evil). So we would never miss this again, he put a flaming sword pointing to the tree of life. We still judged each other anyway. It got so bad he cleared the whole earth with a flood for a do over, and created the covenant; he won’t wipe us out again, & we remember who we really are (don’t judge each other). He even created rainbows as a reminder, just in case we forget. They’re so beautiful, the whole spectrum, such a blatant indicator. But we kept judging each other anyways. Then he gave his ‘only son’ to the ‘children of God’. Then we judged him too and nailed him to a cross. So one interpretation is the two lines are duality, and his death reminds us not to judge each together via adding good & evil to perception...that it is pointless & ”untenable”. In remembering his death, and His (God’s) message, he ‘died for our sins’ already, so, there’s no need to look for sins in each other, no need to judge each other - just focus on your own life, ‘eat of the tree of life’ instead. Feel the burn of the sword, and go in the direction it points. Yet we keep judging each other. Judgement is such that God’s heavy hand of the flood, the unmissable sword (the “burn” of the Truth / suffering), and his selfless sacrifice of ‘his only son’ (God “Himself”), could not prevent it. The cross could be said to serve as the reminder to you, that Judgement or Love, is always - “in your hands”...which are not nailed to that cross, nor does another’s need to be again. Or more simply, as some wiseman once said... “Ignorance and love”. “Know thy self.” Socrates Judgement, like creating, is so profoundly simple that the difficulty seems to lie in the willingness to become aware that we already are, rather than things to be learned or begun. The “tricky” or “sneaky” thing is that there’s no such thing as a “Christian symbol”. When seen that way, the message from you, to you, is in risk of being missed entirely, via doing the very thing the symbol warns against. The “problem” could be said to be that all meaning for any word or symbol, you yourself are creating right now. The symbol could be said to address this very issue, but then again, that’d be up to you. Imo, just like thought loops are broken by feeling, judgement can never withstand love. "In generosity and helping others, be like a river In compassion and grace, be like the sun In concealing other's faults, be like the night... ...Don't treat me as a stranger, I am your neighbor. My house is close to yours. I may look different, by my heart is good. My inside is shining even if my sayings are obscure." - Rumi Precisely because it is not symbolic.

Have you inspected the thoughts / beliefs? With thoughts aside, in ‘going to the sensation itself’, it is not terror. Thought is infinity sneaky you know. You made it but it wasn’t yours? ...maybe there was the experience of choice, but no separate individual chooser...? Notice the subtle revealing of identification with the body...”trapped in my body”. It’s possible that is “the terror”, and inspecting that liberates that. There’s a lot of relief in acknowledging the sneakiness. It can never be beat. Competing only flares it up more. “It takes two to tango”. To experience life, free will & to create. What’d that ‘resolve’ look like btw? Why do they have to “be yours” to enjoy the journey? Does there need to be meaning imposed upon you for you to thrive, love, and enjoy life? There might be some tango going on here. If meaning was imposed upon you, there’d be no free will. If there isn’t meaning imposed upon you, there’s no free will. You can find fault, or liberation, in either perspective, but I’d consider seeing that both are equally true & false by contemplating them more deeply. The feeling might be in regards to the way you are thinking, rather than inherent in the content, or the ‘things’ you’re thinking about. If that was the case, there’d be no sadness upon noticing it. At least not without knowing you’re creating the experience of sadness. That’s judgement. It really doesn’t ever pan out. The first chapter of the Bible is really great for communicating just how true this is.

@Beginner Mind You already brought it to the foot and palms. Same for the heart.

To someone who is overly selfless a lot of spirituality and nondual ‘stuff’ would sound so backwards. There’s really no message of ‘you actually need more selfishness’ in it. I’ve come across people that do though. Very rare, ironic and imo intriguing.

@Beginner Mind ??

@Beginner Mind I don’t mean to be pushy, but how do you feel about simply doing it right now for a few minutes? If so, what did you find?

@Javfly33 Sorry...was just kidding, playing on the taming the ox jokes. The comment wasn’t about you. I’ll be a little more careful. ??

Teir 2 sneakery.

@DreamScape Hey, welcome back. ??

@Strangeloop How do you distinguish the dream, from reality / “real life”? (Not a thread derailing btw / ‘same thing’)

@capriciousduck No. I’d make a dream board, and write every single thought of any & everything that arises, that you want in this life, on it. All thought trains leave and eventually land back at the grand central station, which is you. Thinking will never be feeling & creating, because a thought is the very means of creation.

@Strangeloop If you woke up in the morning remembering last night’s dream, was there any form in it, or was it mind?

Inspect the thoughts about yourself, which are not true. Then, there will no longer be the monkey mind, trying to resolve in thinking - truth which can only be felt in alignment.

@capriciousduck When a thought “takes you away from motivation”, inspect that thought / belief. The feeling of “demotivation”, is Truth revealing that thought about you, or reality, or “the world”...is not true. Keep aligning thought & feeling, with feeling as the guide / leader. Always be willing to let go of a thought which doesn’t feel good.