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@riplo That’s hilarious! Love the wording. The cover is an obvious giveaway as well.

@Javfly33 Pretty crazy awesome huh?

@Arzack Surely I stand to look the bad guy here, but you’re doing yourself and others a disservice. This thread is mostly misinformation.

@Vlad_ Yep.

@Javfly33 There it is. ?? Luv ya.

@Tim R Had the same sentiment of yours. ?

@Kalki Avatar Either you’re asleep or wokefulness. Woke, there are no more unenlightened or enlightened people. The thought / question no longer makes sense. There wasn’t before either, it just seemed like there was. Sizing up, comparing people, enlightenments, awakenings, teachers, experiences, etc, this is how to stay asleep. It is veiling oneself with the activity of thought about ,and missing the actuality. No thing gets, gives, causes, delivers, or equates to enlightenment. No matter what that thing may be, it truly does not matter. Also, it’s fun to talk about. Like plants.

So awareness & feeling do not come and go. Thought, comes and goes. Now we are in the light of awareness, so to speak. Now let’s look at this for more relief...patience & humility still being the key.... Awareness of “living”, that distinction, requires the ability to compare “living” to “not living”. Awareness is not aware of “not living”, or of “living”. Awareness is aware of the thoughts - ‘living’, and ‘not living’. That is what is meant by duality. This or that, this and that. Again, awareness is aware of the thoughts - “this”, “that”, “living”, “not living”. “What if” implies a future scenario. But that what if, is nothing to be concerned about. That what if, is not possible. There can not, and will not come a day, where a realization occurs that are, or are not, “living”, or “not living”. This is self evident, as you are aware, right now, of the thoughts - “living” or “not living”. There is, in your direct experience, no awareness of living or not living, only of the thoughts - “living”, “not living”. Philosophically speaking, to mistake my thought about something, for the actuality, is not really ‘living’ this life at all. To realize what is being shared here, is to realize one does not need to believe thoughts. Once the dualistic nature of thoughts is realized, it actually becomes challenging to continue to believes them - especially when they don’t feel good. Thoughts have always appeared & disappeared, and thoughts will continue to appear & disappear. What appears and disappears - is magic, and unexplainable. Explanation, is really, just more thoughts. The concern “what if I’m not really living”, is revealed to not be a concern at all. You felt concern, you expressed & inquired, because something didn’t feel quite right about the thought. Believing the thoughts, is the matrix, the prison of the mind, and indeed does not feel quite right. Concern was felt... ‘what if I’m not living’ was a thought. What didn’t feel quite right was the thought about yourself - not the content. You are beyond, transcendent of, thought. This is self evident, as again, “you” is a thought, the real you - is the awareness of that thought. And you, awareness, do not come and go. What does not come and go, does not really live and die. “Live” & “die”, are thoughts, eternal awareness is aware of. These thoughts come and go, appear and disappear. In the matrix / prison of the mind, the believing of the thoughts... “nothing matters” is indeed concerning. But ‘nothing, or better said, ‘no thing’, is awareness. “Nothing matters” can be taken as a thought, and the feeling response is ‘not good’, if you will. The feeling is responding to the misunderstanding. What is misunderstood, is that ‘nothing matters’, in the way you’re interpreting it, is just a thought. As in, “then life won’t matter, life would be pointless & meaningless - because nothing in life would matter”. That is what does not feel good. The misunderstanding is what does not feel good. So what to do about misunderstanding, which does not feel good? Understanding, of course. Which feels wonderful & liberating. And you are in luck when it comes to misunderstanding & understanding, as other people have already figured reality out. For you, there is only to choose to spend some time on it, to understand and realize. Nonduality teachers, gurus, presenters, whatever you’d like to call them, understand & have realized, what quantum physicists have proved over a hundred years ago. ‘No thing’, awareness... in quantum mechanics jargon, you might call “superposition” - that which is infinite emptiness & fullness, infinite potential, formless & limitless - Awareness - and therefore can appear as anything. ‘It’ does this, this appearing, by vibrating. This is referred to as M theory, or string theory. This vibrating can only be referred to in theory, because no thing vibrates and appears as the very thoughts, and therefore the very theories....about....that which appears as all ‘things’ by vibrating. You can experience much liberation, many great feeling epiphanies, in understanding these things, just by spending time on YouTube. Patience & humility are key. As great as it feels - even understanding reaches it’s natural ceiling, because understanding is essentially, thought. It’s still appearance, but it is the understanding that thought, and therefore understanding - is appearance. By the time this ceiling of understanding is reached, so much misunderstanding has been seen through and shedded, that you are mostly out of the matrix. Then, if interested, there is the ‘going and seeing for yourself’, so to speak. Experiencing that which is prior to experience itself. That which is prior to thought & understanding. That which is prior to the vibration of itself, prior to it’s appearance. This is the matrix. Reactionary living. You are becoming aware of this. You are ‘waking up’. This is good. You are realizing why people let go, listen to feeling, meditate, do yoga, express how they feel, seek more understanding, take psychedelics, go on retreats, etc. You might say that all of these are doing more about the situation of misunderstanding, than just thinking and settling for thoughts that don’t feel good. This is thinking, and thinking won’t be resolved by more thinking. Instead, recognize the limit, the futility of thinking. Tomatoes are chosen or not, because of feeling, sensation. Not thoughts. If you think you love tomatoes because of how they look, but they taste terrible, you won’t eat them. Taste buds change. Every thing is really vibration, which appears to be a ‘thing’. To ‘move on’ from thinking...abide in feeling. This means if a thought doesn’t feel good to you, you will swiftly and effortlessly let it go. In truth, thought appears and disappears already anyways. So it is so effortless in fact, that you don’t even have to let it go. Without your continued focus - it’s gone. Magic. And another thought appears. A better feeling, more insightful thought. There is no limit or bottom to this good feelingness. It takes time, there is momentum, there is letting go of thoughts of misunderstanding....but there is orgasmic thoughts. Imagine sitting quietly, and genuinely preferring not to have sex, because it would actually feel slightly less amazing, than the peace, bliss, and appearing thoughts. You don’t hate Jim Newman. You just want to let all misunderstanding go, to be in the state he is in. Patience. Humility. Listen more to what he is saying. Listen less to any thoughts of judgement of him. Tastes change. You might profoundly love him one day. That might be just such a blissful thought. If the separation of others doesn’t exist - then only ‘connection’ exists. For example, I am a dad, and I have a son. There is connection between us, there is a bond if you will, between us. See what that connection is, see what that bond is made of, prior to, and beyond, just the appearance.

You bring up a very important distinction. Momentarily, it will be felt as more relief. To see through this distinction takes patience & humility, which I believe you have plenty of... Is there awareness - that awareness comes and goes? Or is there awareness of the thought - that awareness comes & goes?

@arlin Thoughts are not quite like awareness or feeling in this regard though, yes? Thoughts appear and disappear, come & go. Yes?

Indeed I can, thank you for elaborating. There are those thoughts...and there is that feeling. I want to offer something that may bring more relief, but first a foundation, or us ‘getting on a same page’...do you see that you can not ‘take off’ or ‘turn off awareness, nor feeling...like you could a pair of shoes? In the simplest sense, you’re aware, and there is feeling, yes? If you try to ‘turn them off’ right now, you find that you can not, right?

I can’t yet, but I would like to understand. Can you explain how / why that is disturbing?

@arlin But there is knowing, there is awareness, yes?

@arlin (In the simplest sense) You are knowing of this universe, and this you in it which you speak of, yes? You’re aware of it, yes?

What do you mean by objective?

I have power over dream = two. Human mind and oneness = two. Thought appears... “now what do I need to do to create?”. That was ‘it’. You just did. Unconditional & effortless. Focus on that condition? “That I need to do x, y, or z”? That’s what you’re creating. What do you want to create? Effortlessness....just... on purpose. Purpose. Another condition created. By you. No effort involved. No power needed. No need needed.

@arlin Consider the difference between a belief and the truth.

@Leo Gura Thanks. Make sense. Those I’ve talked with over the last few years are in the setting of having sought out someone to talk to from the suffering of the karma, or conscience.

@Sam Johnson Well, how many egos are you figuring there are?

What’ll ya see just how rare it is.

@ertopolice Thanks. ??

Go today. Don’t wait.

@Forestluv ?

Spot on that is.

@Dbass The chasing of beautiful woman isn’t so much the problem. It’s the chasing of feeling better, from a position of need - believing long term deeper better feeling will come from the woman, which is the suffering. Hat’s off to you for inspecting and inquiring. You are not bad with woman. That’s a self fulling prophecy. You’re holding that belief, and acting surprised when experience is in accordance with it. If that belief were true, it’d feel great. The suffering there is not in regard to a relationship between you and a woman, but rather between you & you / you & the source of you, we might say. That sheds light on this. Trying to stop feeling is resistance / tension / frustration, and it is senseless & futile. Do not try to stop feeling. Feel more so into feeling. The anxiety is continuing to hold the same perspectives about yourself, which don’t resonate, don’t feel good. It can be tricky, as one of those perspectives which does not feel good or resonate, is the perspective that the feeling is due to, or caused by anything other than your own beliefs & perspectives. We are very sneaky creatures. Awareness of this cures this. Do not look to ‘beat’ this, as that is the sneakiness, and would most likely be an under the radar attempt to stop feeling. This is just some guy’s opinion here, don’t give it any weight...but you’re apparently pretty attached to that belief. I suggest it is not true, and the difficulty lies in your recognition that it has never been true. If you sit quietly in a room alone, you very well might experience that your ‘problem’ is not in the room, can not be pointed to. Thus, there in actuality is not a problem. Again, the arising perspective is in discord with truth, with the heart of you, you might say. Letting it go, and understanding, would be the ideal approach...rather than continuing to believe it and continuing to attempt to resolve it by thinking about it more. Look to see the distinction, the difference, between letting go of a perspective, and entertaining new perspectives - vs - continuing to hold that belief and think through that same perspective. My perspective, is that you’re quite literally awesome. Infinitely mystically ineffably awesome. Wether this is true or not is of no concern for me. That it resounds in my being, that it feels great, is all that is relevant. We are creators of our reality, and it is made of love. Do not be a hard working vacuum that is not plugged in. Plug in first, and this reality is Self propelled. Your english is great. Notice in that last comment, this seems to be about woman, mom, dad, and childhood. In a way, it very much is. Yet from right now, it is second order to your health, well being, and happiness. Plug in, then clean this place up, if you get what I’m saying. Make this about no one but you, period. Read a book on each of the things you mentioned, choose to utilize resources (as you already are here) more so. Educate yourself on these matters. Understand yourself and what’s going on with you, and why you’re feeling the way you are, by learning from others who have experienced the same or similar...and also by feeling more and more ‘into’ yourself. I’m not sugar coating your past. It sucks. But the past is passed, and you’re here now, and you got a future, and it can be what you can dream. Feeling is the bottom line, getting plugged in. For you, from the very little I’ve to work with from this post...you’re connected feeling to woman, mom, dad, and past...and it’s not really working. Look to connect feeling to your interests, to what you like & want - for you - for your enjoyment (other than the honey’s, give that a minute); hobbies, preferences, activities, your gifts & talents, really literally anything you like. Like = feels good to you. Good feeling is what you want. The simplest, funnest, easiest, most efficient way I know of to do this is by making a dreamboard. “This place is a dream, only a sleeper considers it real. Then death comes like dawn and you wake up laughing at what you thought was your grief...... ...A man goes to sleep in the town where he has always lived, and he dreams he's living in another town. In the dream, he doesn't remember the town he's sleeping in his bed in. He believes the reality of the dream town... The world is that kind of sleep.” -Rumi The suffering has already arrived, that is not in question. This suffering is the calling of love. You must wake yourself up in it. You must see what it really is.