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@electroBeam Was not meant as a ‘bold claim’ lol. Simply humor related to the nature of the thread. Admittedly, I often forget people are serious about their egos & views etc. Did not mean any offense or ‘boldness’.

@Adam M (I’m assuming we’re both laughing.)

@wk197 Yes, lots of work. But I have feet and sight to find work. I have hands to do it. I have feeling & thoughts, and can change my attitude & perspective accordingly. I feel very grateful for these things, as I see not everyone is as blessed. @LfcCharlie4 ...Googling this ‘goat’ thingy.

@Adam M You are stupid and not as woke as me.

@wk197 Yes indeed, thank you. The luckiest man on earth.

@Anon212 Just some sharing here, don’t mean to be self indulgent but thought a share of a different perspective & frame of reference might be useful to you. I have a deeply fulfilling marriage, a wonderful fun family, some really precious deep friendships, very fulfilling hobbies & interests like poetry, drawing, painting, guitar & singing that develop more & more as I go, am a millionaire, and meet with people daily on skype, zoom, and at a yoga & reiki center helping with self realization & awakening. I worked three jobs while in college full time to pay for it. I never had a loan, or any financial backing. I got my first job when I was 13, to buy clothes that weren’t my older brothers. I exercise & meditate each morning, and eat in accordance with well being. I’ve never been to an ashram. I don’t believe my thoughts. I use a dreamboard every day, and I never think about what I should be doing, and am never at a loss for what I want to do next. It is already on the board. I add to it as I go. I am just get started.

Meaning for ‘things’ arises in humans, and as such ‘things’ should do what ‘things’ should do, relative to the meaning, and the human the meaning arose in. No ‘thing’, and by that I mean to say no person, object, or experience, will ever be as Good, as Goodness is, Good. Which is not a problem at all, for no thing. No thing can compare no thing to a thing, but misses that it is, no thing, and all apparent things.

@arlin Your experience of definitions, is actually that of connotations.

@Inder What is this “life” you keep talking about?

Then don’t.

@Consept To who?

I’m not even trying to go that far really. Just that the terms, conspiracy, conspire, has nothing to do with the identity of a person looking into it. As an example, imagine if someone was alleging they’re being abused. They wouldn’t call an ‘Abuse Theorist’. The subject matter at hand of abuse is not associated with the identity of a Police Officer, Detective, Social Worker, or maybe Nurse who looks into the abuse. Not necessarily. And I would say they’re you. ? What difference that makes if any in terms of identity remains to be seen. Again, I wouldn’t say it detracts someone else. If it detracts, I would say I am detracted. ‘Real investigation’ likewise imo, if it is to be defined as anything, it could not be secondary to your investigation. Not in the personal sense, but in the ‘direct experience is always king’ sense. I don’t know if I would agree that labeling people as separate things such as conspiracy theorists is a ‘campaign’ in that way. It seemed like a one-off kind of thing to me. Like each of us do or don’t.

You might be mistaking what I’m saying. I am not changing a label, and I am not talking about conspiracy theorists. I am saying it’s a legal matter. People either broke a law or they did not. Then maybe laws & regulations change, maybe not. Just like if you were to rob a house. Nobody cares about your story legally speaking, you either did or didn’t rob a house, and laws about robbing houses change, or don’t.

@Moksha You sir or ma’am are a wonderful dancer. ?

The same era / generation which dubbed psychedelics ‘bad’ also repurposed the term ‘conspiracy theory’ / or ‘theorist’. A conspiracy is when two people break the law. Like if my kids take money out of my wallet. Lol. I am not the conspiracy theorist which questions and investigates this - they are what the word conspiracy points to. What’s in question is if my little devils teamed up, planned it, and executed the plan. If so, they conspired. An investigator is not a conspiracist, or a conspiracy theorist. The people being investigated are being investigated to determine if they conspired - which only means, if they broke a law knowingly together. The only relevant information is who, what laws, and if they were broken. The best way that I can think of in mustering & exercising as much devilry as possible to break laws with my buds and have our actions go unchecked, would be to sling identity onto those who are potentially inspecting, and passive aggressively (even that is saying too much) attack their self esteem, self worth, character, reputation, and self image. With a label. That has no actual meaning.

In ‘your own’ immediately verifiable direct experience, there is no actuality of an objective view or perspective, by which anything could be said to be or not be valid. That is kind of the prior & overall point. All points of view, in all of existence = “human” points of view. That’s it. The ‘point’ of the ‘all of existence ‘part’ ‘, is only the experience. If you are getting what I’m saying, the implications would likely be profound. So much so that it sounds crazy or impossible. I’d say it is crazy & impossible too. But it is, nonetheless. Apparently (which is in accordance with direct experience). You can look for separation in de between an object seen, the seeing, and the awareness or knowing of the seeing, and notice there is no actual separation. You can inspect the apparent ‘ring’ of your peripheral vision and notice though it sure as hell seems like there is an edge there, between what is seen and what is not, or behind you so to speak, there actually is not. At all. There is only the thought “behind me”.

I agree. All concepts are conceptual. Direct experience rules out what is not direct experience, what is only conceptualized. That’s all. ? Well, you can if you abide only by direct experience.

That’s an assumed concept, it is not direct experience. Also concept and not actual. Me. There is not really any “consciousness” . That is you. Experienced what?

@RedLine I suppose it’s your games to play, your pain to hold. Godspeed.

Well, in kind, I didn’t say I’m confused, I said I think there is some confusion, as in I think your statements conflict each other. I also think ‘everyone is missing the point’, because there is no point. As in, you’re not really interested in feedback, but rather just sharing, which is great. That you take that comment as an assessment of some sort, as to “how awoke or not you are”, is really on you, if indeed that is how you’re thinking. I understand you giving an impression of being awake, in a thread entitled “Leaving everything to pursue love”. That in & of itself is nonsensical of course. If you don’t want to work, and the tax paying working people of your country will pay for you, and that is actually what you want to do (homelessness), I wish you the best. In the end, thread wise, it’s unconscious trolling, imo.

@Moksha The ‘point’ (if you will) is this experience. All else is secondary and apparent, serving that there is, experience, including “a brain”. It’s a blatant all encompassing cover up. Consider the odds of this moment as it is in eternity, or even ‘since the big bang’. What are the chances man is the size between an atom & the earth? There are no odds or chances of this, because they would be based on a physical universe existing, determinism, causation, separation, etc. It is also blatantly evidenced in the non sensory of words (which did not and do not come from humans). When you are saying ‘brain’, there is awareness of ‘brain’ (wether it’s recognized as a thought or thought to be a separate object) but when I say ‘there is brain of awareness’, I sound like a love drunk fool. We can observe the brain stopping in others. That is perception & thought. The cover up is that tight.

If the separate self is an illusion, what is the actuality? That’d have to be the answer to the why. Again, if there is an illusion, what is actual? No. That is literal nonsense.

I think there is some confusion. I’m not sure being homeless would be helpful.

@Someone here Well, what’s ‘the finite mind’?

@Someone here It might sound odd at first but one can get so lost in conception one misses the actuality of it, infinite creation. “The first time you feel it, it might make you sad, the next time you feel it, it might make you mad, but you’ll be glad baby when you’ve found, that’s the power makes the world go round.” - Huey Lewis & The Message @VeganAwake Well said not God. ??