Nahm

There is the thought of death, and or hell. If that thought is focused upon long enough there is the belief in death, or hell. But you haven’t seen these, nor has anyone else, nor is there a single piece of evidence for these. What you “know” of death & hell, is limited in that it is only what people told you. People confused their ideas & beliefs, for what is actual. This did not settle within them in terms of feeling, so they labelled that feeling “fear”. Now you are reeling with indoctrination. Their belief has become your belief. Their discord has become your discord. Their fear has become your fear. No one can let go of beliefs for someone else. I vote you abide in feeling, and let go of beliefs which don’t resonate with you, simply in the name of your own well being. Recognize the actuality, that everyone can believe such things & suffer, or inspect actuality. It’s up to each one. I vote you find out what is actual. But that’s an easier thing to say after one has done so, or been through it, if you will. I can share with you though, that after letting those beliefs go (grew up Catholic) the fear went with them. It disappeared when it was seen how I was creating it by believing in nonsense (what didn’t resonate in feeling). I can share the change of perspective in regard to religion, death & hell. I once held the perspective, or, believed, there was a God, a heaven & a hell, angels, demons, and a satan. I was an impressionable, innocent, vulnerable child which was dependent on adults, like every other child. I looked to adults, especially those in what seemed to me to be authoritative positions, for guidance & understanding, and I just lived with fear like everyone else. It was just a fact of life to me. I didn’t really think much about it really. I took religion to be explanatory of “the after life”, and I believed that upon the end of this life I would face that almightily judgement. It didn’t make logical sense, and it didn’t make feeling sense, but I went along with the crowd. Honestly I wasn’t really even aware I was ‘going along with the crowd’, because I was a kid. The “crowd” was my family, and I knew my parents loved me and were honest people. So, I went along with it. But you know, it never settled, that fear. In hindsight I would say it was intuition, but back then I would have said something just didn’t sit right, didn’t resonate, and while I didn’t know what that was, I knew that I felt it. So I started looking into things. Questioning religion, my beliefs, science, reality, thoughts, emotions, feelings, people, etc. Of course, no one could do that for you, or for anyone else. You gotta look into these things for yourself. But I can tell you what I found is that there is God, but not in the sense I would have even thought. There are angels, and there is satan, and there is hell. But these aren’t what I thought they were. These aren’t some “after life”. These stories of The Bible (etc) describe this place here we find ourselves in today. I’m finding these “angels” spoken of, are us. I’m also finding some of these angels simply refuse to be parallel, that is, refuse to take themselves to be equal with all other angels. In doing so, these angels make enemies of other angels. In hindsight, these stories were more cautionary tales than they were stories about some “afterlife”. I learned this first hand, by directly experiencing being this devil, and by directly experiencing being in hell. I didn’t have to go anywhere to experience this, let alone an “after life”. I did this right here on earth, by holding myself to be “higher” than the rest of the angels. It was hell, and I did indeed feel the burn. Paradoxically, when I let my childish perspectives, ways, and beliefs go, I realized I never “grew up” like I believed I did, and I became a kid again. A kid in Heaven. The funny thing is, I never left in the first place. I created my own hell, and my own heaven too. “There are only two mistakes one can make along the road to truth; not going all the way, and not starting.” Buddha In the same way that people label feeling as “fear”, folks also label truth trips as “bad trips”. Truth is not easy at first, because it shows us our beliefs. But though it may not be revealed yet, this is good, because to be without the fear, requires recognizing your beliefs. Recognizing yourself, and how you’re creating the fear. You have not made the mistake of “not starting”. Imo, that is commendable. Respectable. Noble. Brave. You’re ‘halfway there’, so to speak. It’s just some advice...continue on as you are. Listen to feeling, to intuition. Don’t make that other mistake, of “not going all the way”. It’s most worthwhile. Though in this manor you will cut yourself from “the crowd”, they’ll still be around, just the same. Maybe you sense that, maybe not yet, idk, but I’m rootin for you. Abiding in feeling, things have a way of going full circle, things mistaken are seen anew. “I have come to ignite a fire on earth, and how I wish it were already kindled! But I have a baptism to undergo, and how distressed I am until it is accomplished!” “Do you think I have come to bring peace to the earth? No, I tell you, but division. From now on, five in one household will be divided, three against two and two against three. They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law.” “As soon as you see a cloud rising in the west, you say ‘a shower is coming’, and that is what happens. And when the south wind blows, you say, ‘it will be hot’, and it is. You hypocrites! You know how to interpret the appearance of the earth and sky - why don’t you know how to interpret the present time?” Jesus

@Moksha Delightful & I could not agree more. ? I suppose when Siddhartha & Eckart believed they awakened they were also questioning what drives awakened people to do what they do. Maybe they also chose ego. They probably also thought their consciousness, and their awareness was telling them to do things. Maybe they also questioned if this was because of their time, or their advancement. Maybe they also sought to understand how guru’s are motivated, maybe they did make that intellectual choice. Perhaps they were also in the body and knew they would leave it in the future when enlightenment comes. I suppose they also asked other people what is normal for awakened people. I mean, how the heck could I know really.

@Moksha Maybe Eckart & Siddhartha were at different points in their life? Thoughts?

@Strangeloop

@zeroISinfinity Thought the answer was there in the question really.

@electroBeam I have an intuitive feeling a yet more expansive insight is going to hit you in a matter of minutes as to the genius of ‘Leo’.

Imagine getting so engrossed in a movie you are convinced when it ends you die. It could be real-I-zed the movie appears of the screen, while the movie is playing. If not, surely, when it’s over.

Yes, exactly. Yes, but also open mindedness. There is a perspective in which I am utilizing my concentration and it is useful to use the hand. There is also a perspective that experience is a concentration of infinite consciousness, and that I have concentration or are utilizing it are illusory. In the realization of this perspective, there is no longer the implied need for the utilization of the hand or concentration. Likewise, there is a perspective ‘I am knowing, I am seeing’, and there is another perspective I AM = knowing, I AM = seeing. Same, and yet different. In the realization of the second perspective, seeing transpires in Mind (vs mind & eyes), and that points from Reiki to Siddhis. Yes. If you haven’t, try each hand as the ‘receiving hand’ (open with palm up) and the other hand as the ??, as if the energy received is flowing through in between the thumb and index finger. It’ll soon feel like an energetic rope is being pulled through them.

@Leo Nordin The beauty of the quotes is you supply meaning.

If there are causes & effects, then yes it would seem so. Linguistically, something can be prior to something, without being separate, and without causation. Yes. Compare arising thoughts on your worst feeling day, to your best feeling day. Think of Disneyland as an analogy. If I’m suggesting to go to Disneyland and you haven’t been there before, what either of us think about it doesn’t matter much. Going and seeing it is the worthwhile thing.

Maybe eyes & seeing aren’t subject & object either.

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Skin head, dead head Everybody gone bad Situation, aggravation Everybody allegation In the suite, on the news Everybody dog food Bang bang, shot dead Everybody's gone mad All I wanna say is that They don't really care about us All I wanna say is that They don't really care about us Beat me, hate me You can never break me Will me, thrill me You can never kill me Jew me, sue me Everybody do me Kick me, kike me Don't you black or white me All I wanna say is that They don't really care about us All I wanna say is that They don't really care about us Tell me what has become of my life I have a wife and two children who love me I am the victim of police brutality, no I'm tired of being the victim of hate You're raping me of my pride Oh, for God's sake I look to heaven to fulfill its prophecy... Set me free Skin head, dead head Everybody gone bad Trepidation, speculation Everybody allegation In the suite, on the news Everybody dog food Black man, blackmail Throw the brother in jail All I wanna say is that They don't really care about us All I wanna say is that They don't really care about us Tell me what has become of my rights Am I invisible because you ignore me? Your proclamation promised me free liberty, no I'm tired of being the victim of shame They're throwing me in a class with a bad name I can't believe this is the land from which I came You know I really do hate to say it The government don't wanna see But if Roosevelt was living He wouldn't let this be, no, no Skin head, dead head Everybody gone bad Situation, speculation Everybody litigation Beat me, bash me You can never trash me Hit me, kick me You can never get me All I wanna say is that They don't really care about us All I wanna say is that They don't really care about us Some things in life they just don't wanna see But if Martin Luther was living He wouldn't let this be, no, no They don’t really care about us

@StephenK Careful attributing polarization to a society. If it is at all, it is of the individuation and projected onto a collective, and thus perpetuated precisely as some individuations desire it to be. This to this, listen through the words, for the message.

“You have to keep breaking your heart until it opens.” “The wound is the place where the light enters you.” “God turns you from one feeling to another and teaches by means of opposites, so that you will have two wings to fly, not one.” “Stop acting so small. You are the universe in ecstatic motion.” “Raise your words, not your voice. It is rain and not thunder that grows flowers.” “The very center of your heart is where life begins – the most beautiful place on earth.” “This is a subtle truth, whatever you love, you are.” Rumi ?

The appearance of ‘form’ is not alien to formlessness. Perspectives arise via purification; old paradigm, go for the outward thought story, even though feeling isn’t resonating with it. New paradigm; feeling is paramount & fundamental, perspectives go as effortlessly (and magically) as they arise. It is not uncommon to formulate perspectives in the blame category (also psychosis, paranoia, etc) when the mind is faced with the suppression of feeling that has been transpiring. Also, if there is any struggle in releasing such a perspective, don’t wrestle, forgive, understand, love. Whisper “I didn’t know”, and smile of your awesomeness. Redirect such energy to your well being.

Total carnofall.

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@Nivsch The misnomer is at the very foundation of the inquiry. “Today’s science” can not really be attributed to in the manor you believe, because it is only subjective connotation and opinion. Ironically perhaps, a scientific approach of inspecting direct experience reveals this. Scientists, on the other hand so to speak, are woke & plentiful. Just be more choosy with who & what you’re putting n front of you. YouTube wise, check out PBS Space Time. Look to feeling, the vibrational nature of reality which scientists study. Notice when you first make a devil, and then focus on wanted, people feel your inner discord intuitively, even if they are not cognitively aware of this. Feeling is always first. This is inescapable. Thank God. “No one cares what you know until they know that you care!” ― Benjamin Franklin

@Gneh Onebar Some folks hand authority to Trump. Some to Ramaji and Ananda Devi. Slippery, slippery slope. A book, a video, an index of loc, supports “I am higher consciousness than you”. But that, has always been up to you.

@Alfonsoo Acknowledging thought by recognizing you are the awareness, aware of thought, is ample. No need to break free of anything, you are already freedom, or, pure spontaneity. Meditation every morning is great for letting thought go by relaxing the body and focusing on feeling & breathing from the stomach. Recognize that “it is very difficult to break free of this way of thinking” is one thought, about thinking. In noticing this is one thought, there is not the impulse to believe the story or narrative, of the thought. Imagine if you realized you’ve had a habit of ‘believing your left hand’. In being aware of the habit, you recognize the left hand is not a matter of belief or not, but just is, in a very neutral sense, the left hand. Write ‘relationship’ on your dreamboard, and imagine / fantasize about how it feels to be in that loving, happy, healthy relationship. Feel appreciation for him / her, and gratitude for the experience of the relationship. Then, if someone asks you if you’re in a relationship, be open minded that this may very well be the coming of the opportunity for the relationship, and tell them you are not, but are looking to be.

Awesome! Hold your left hand out a bit with your palm up. Take some stomach breathes, relax the whole body, ‘let go’, and when you feel the energy tingling into the left palm, hold your right palm above each chakra, one at a time, from bottom to top, feeling the spinning. Feel the direction of the spin, and also you’ll notice a feeling as if a record spinning which is not perfectly flat, like an energetic record with energy ‘lumps’ brushing against the right palm. Spin counterclockwise with the intention of removing / emptying any ‘lumps’, and then clockwise, evening out the chakra by filling it with energy from your right palm. With practice you’ll feel the energy into the left hand...through your entire body...and then through the right hand, back into the body aligning the chakras in a more and more balanced yet energetically intense manor as you go. Then move both palms slowly from lowest to to highest chakra and feel all of them spinning clockwise together at the same speed. Feel the energy coming from below the body, up and out through the top of your head. Caution: bliss may ensue. Also, after aligning the chakras, with the left ‘receiving hand’ lightly make the ‘ok’ ?? hand gesture (with palm facing up), and feel how the energy changes in the sense it is more concentrated. Make the same gesture with the right hand, palm facing out / away, and with practice you’ll feel the entire body as if one whole chakra. Weird as it may sound, you’ll eventually (if not right away) feel around your body exactly as if it was your ‘regular’ body. (The aura)

@Pratyekabuddha Passive and also not. There’s an on and off to it, very much like the relationship between meditation / yoga and thinking. Reiki classes are great for exploring the energy work end of things, but I wouldn’t underestimate the role a good foundation plays. Practices are really more for letting even expectations go, vs getting results. The desired result is feeling better, which is the natural occurrence of letting go. New hopes, new dreams, new fantasies.