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@Moksha Ah, the tidal intention. Beautiful. Brought this to mind... “Lightning crashes, an old mother dies her intentions fall to the floor the angel closes her eyes the confusion that was hers belongs now to the baby down the hall And now I feel it comin' back again like a rollin' thunder chasing the wind forces pullin' from the center of the earth again I can feel it.” Live

@Muhammad Jawad I would have guessed it did not, leading to the inquiry as to why that is so.

Super happy to hear something’s helping you. Just a random perspective...“shit” isn’t an accurate interpretation of who you really are. “Fear” (scary) is an interpretation. In letting go of an interpretation which does not resonate in feeling, vs clinging to it or believing it, the source of the interpreting is realized, and that one was creating fear by labeling themself, instead of feeling, is the revelation, and realty is ‘seen as it is’. You are so beautiful it blinds, so loving it’s “horrifying” to see the conditions “held”. Likewise, paranoia is interpretation, namely, thinking one knows other’s are thinking, and venturing into the thinking one knows what another is thinking. Even as I type this now and tell you I am thinking of popcorn, I am not. Because I am not, fear is not.

@Yarco The sides are the illusion. Game creators & designers would make good politicians, in their all too rare ability to create inclusively via cross-generation, cross-platformIng, and backward compatibility. In all fairness though, their financial incentive is Inherently based on inclusiveness. If you’re in the company, the synergy of this goal behooves you. They do have that distinct advantage however, in that no one seems to be claiming the money in their games is real.

Medi means middle, tion is used to abstract a noun from a verb. Imagine if you were floating in water and each arising thought about a you, a I, or a myself is what keeps you floating at the surface. Then, imagine each of these arising thoughts which is let go, equates to sinking just a little more. If all are let go, that is, never held, only recognized to appear & disappear...in ‘sinking to the bottom’, the view would be such that there is no you, I, or myself, “up there floating” “on a surface”. Pure Imagine-ation.

“Ego” loves nothing more that this credit. What’s actually transpiring...would be my approach. Aware of what is actual, no more roller coaster.

This is basically The Beatles.

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Anything you can do you’re just pretending you can do.... Use this realization to your advantage and you can do anything you want.

@SS10 ???

Do you feel ‘like you can’t or shouldn’t’, or are you thinking ‘you can’t or shouldn’t. If you feel like you can’t trust the mind, don’t. Listen to & trust feeling. You’ll receive intelligence, aka, intuition. It isn’t only received as feeling in the body, but of the universe. Relative to dualistic thinking, intuition is certain, knowing, carefree and lighthearted... all of feeling. ‘Feel into’ the subtly & lightness, being lighthearted. Trust feeling. Notice when you second guess it. “I don’t like it” arises from feeling, the source of want, and don’t want. Recognize & connect with that feeling. Notice when you are believing, that you are thinking, feeling. And feel directly instead. Let the entire topic go from mind. Literally let it go. It’s gone, completely. You forgot what the topic was, gone. And trust feeling. See what’s arising ‘there’. “The content of my purpose” is thought, thinking. The source of purpose is feeling, intelligence. Feeling is clearer when you don’t expect it to ‘be in a future’, where the thinking seems to go. Being here now with feeling, making a list of what arises, that which you are wanting, coagulates into what you want...what you were looking for but not realizing, in thinking. Feel. Whatever arises comes & goes. Breathe, relax, feel. It only gets clearer & clearer, and more intelligence is received. It is a delightful experience.

You had me at argument.

@zeroISinfinity Its really about the spirits.

@Moksha ?

Love never fails, infinity is never done, eternity never finishes. One leads to the other. On a relative level there is no me. How can I tell you what is the same? @SilentTears ???

@Strangeloop Thinking in terms of time and wasting it or not can get strange loopy. Knowing what you want to build breathes excitement into the foundation, the very building of it.

There is the thought of death, and or hell. If that thought is focused upon long enough there is the belief in death, or hell. But you haven’t seen these, nor has anyone else, nor is there a single piece of evidence for these. What you “know” of death & hell, is limited in that it is only what people told you. People confused their ideas & beliefs, for what is actual. This did not settle within them in terms of feeling, so they labelled that feeling “fear”. Now you are reeling with indoctrination. Their belief has become your belief. Their discord has become your discord. Their fear has become your fear. No one can let go of beliefs for someone else. I vote you abide in feeling, and let go of beliefs which don’t resonate with you, simply in the name of your own well being. Recognize the actuality, that everyone can believe such things & suffer, or inspect actuality. It’s up to each one. I vote you find out what is actual. But that’s an easier thing to say after one has done so, or been through it, if you will. I can share with you though, that after letting those beliefs go (grew up Catholic) the fear went with them. It disappeared when it was seen how I was creating it by believing in nonsense (what didn’t resonate in feeling). I can share the change of perspective in regard to religion, death & hell. I once held the perspective, or, believed, there was a God, a heaven & a hell, angels, demons, and a satan. I was an impressionable, innocent, vulnerable child which was dependent on adults, like every other child. I looked to adults, especially those in what seemed to me to be authoritative positions, for guidance & understanding, and I just lived with fear like everyone else. It was just a fact of life to me. I didn’t really think much about it really. I took religion to be explanatory of “the after life”, and I believed that upon the end of this life I would face that almightily judgement. It didn’t make logical sense, and it didn’t make feeling sense, but I went along with the crowd. Honestly I wasn’t really even aware I was ‘going along with the crowd’, because I was a kid. The “crowd” was my family, and I knew my parents loved me and were honest people. So, I went along with it. But you know, it never settled, that fear. In hindsight I would say it was intuition, but back then I would have said something just didn’t sit right, didn’t resonate, and while I didn’t know what that was, I knew that I felt it. So I started looking into things. Questioning religion, my beliefs, science, reality, thoughts, emotions, feelings, people, etc. Of course, no one could do that for you, or for anyone else. You gotta look into these things for yourself. But I can tell you what I found is that there is God, but not in the sense I would have even thought. There are angels, and there is satan, and there is hell. But these aren’t what I thought they were. These aren’t some “after life”. These stories of The Bible (etc) describe this place here we find ourselves in today. I’m finding these “angels” spoken of, are us. I’m also finding some of these angels simply refuse to be parallel, that is, refuse to take themselves to be equal with all other angels. In doing so, these angels make enemies of other angels. In hindsight, these stories were more cautionary tales than they were stories about some “afterlife”. I learned this first hand, by directly experiencing being this devil, and by directly experiencing being in hell. I didn’t have to go anywhere to experience this, let alone an “after life”. I did this right here on earth, by holding myself to be “higher” than the rest of the angels. It was hell, and I did indeed feel the burn. Paradoxically, when I let my childish perspectives, ways, and beliefs go, I realized I never “grew up” like I believed I did, and I became a kid again. A kid in Heaven. The funny thing is, I never left in the first place. I created my own hell, and my own heaven too. “There are only two mistakes one can make along the road to truth; not going all the way, and not starting.” Buddha In the same way that people label feeling as “fear”, folks also label truth trips as “bad trips”. Truth is not easy at first, because it shows us our beliefs. But though it may not be revealed yet, this is good, because to be without the fear, requires recognizing your beliefs. Recognizing yourself, and how you’re creating the fear. You have not made the mistake of “not starting”. Imo, that is commendable. Respectable. Noble. Brave. You’re ‘halfway there’, so to speak. It’s just some advice...continue on as you are. Listen to feeling, to intuition. Don’t make that other mistake, of “not going all the way”. It’s most worthwhile. Though in this manor you will cut yourself from “the crowd”, they’ll still be around, just the same. Maybe you sense that, maybe not yet, idk, but I’m rootin for you. Abiding in feeling, things have a way of going full circle, things mistaken are seen anew. “I have come to ignite a fire on earth, and how I wish it were already kindled! But I have a baptism to undergo, and how distressed I am until it is accomplished!” “Do you think I have come to bring peace to the earth? No, I tell you, but division. From now on, five in one household will be divided, three against two and two against three. They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law.” “As soon as you see a cloud rising in the west, you say ‘a shower is coming’, and that is what happens. And when the south wind blows, you say, ‘it will be hot’, and it is. You hypocrites! You know how to interpret the appearance of the earth and sky - why don’t you know how to interpret the present time?” Jesus

@Moksha Delightful & I could not agree more. ? I suppose when Siddhartha & Eckart believed they awakened they were also questioning what drives awakened people to do what they do. Maybe they also chose ego. They probably also thought their consciousness, and their awareness was telling them to do things. Maybe they also questioned if this was because of their time, or their advancement. Maybe they also sought to understand how guru’s are motivated, maybe they did make that intellectual choice. Perhaps they were also in the body and knew they would leave it in the future when enlightenment comes. I suppose they also asked other people what is normal for awakened people. I mean, how the heck could I know really.

@Moksha Maybe Eckart & Siddhartha were at different points in their life? Thoughts?

@Strangeloop

@zeroISinfinity Thought the answer was there in the question really.

@electroBeam I have an intuitive feeling a yet more expansive insight is going to hit you in a matter of minutes as to the genius of ‘Leo’.

Imagine getting so engrossed in a movie you are convinced when it ends you die. It could be real-I-zed the movie appears of the screen, while the movie is playing. If not, surely, when it’s over.