Nahm

If there are thoughts, what is aware of the thoughts?

The assumption is there is a separate you which is focused on a separate thing. When an illusion is clear, what is clear, is that it was, an illusion. Survival is a thought. Try to point to it precisely, and you find you can not, because there are no individual separate objects, only apparent change, the fore mentioned “illusion” which is not an illusion at all. That’s another thought about something, a separate thing. On a personal note, I love poetry, and of the self would be my favorite. If you hold the connotation of ‘your pretty poetry’, you ‘shoot the messenger’ essentially. There is no ‘problem’ per se with the shooting, but it can be noticed it is diversion from the recognition of what’s being said, to the illusion someone else is saying it.

The I, person, car, words (thoughts) are all made of the same ‘substance’. Yes, you can create apparent differences, distinctions. Now describe the actual separation. Also notice ‘one is alive one isn’t’, is a thought. Believing the thought, there seems to be that difference. Unattached to thought, the thought is not believed, and there is no difference. (Notice other thoughts arising about other differences, are all thoughts). There is no suggestion here to figure anything out, or to think about it. The suggestion is the opposite, to let the thoughts come & go, and notice you’ve been believing there are separate things, by missing you were only believing the thoughts that there are separate things. The words you, me, etc, are just for communication. Thoughts and words are movie. Communication is movie.

You can’t tell the difference between a person & a car...and a movie in which there is a person and a car? If you really can’t, just watch a movie for a minute, then go look at a person, then a car. Then go back to the movie and watch it for a minute, and notice it’s a movie, not a person & a car. If it’s still grey, go look at the person & car again, and then the movie again.

Describe, in the most literal sense, that separation, said to be experienced.

You can’t maintain being you. You are you. There is no “movie”.

@levani Me (subject) my mind (object), it (object). Beyond the thought, where, what are these three? Point to the literal separation. You’ll again notice you’re imagining the separation, rather than directly experiencing any separation. You’re imagining there is a ‘fat concept’ to understand. Let that thought go. It’s another subject object thought. You & the fat concept.

@levani Letting go is effortless. If you were watching a movie, and there was a person and a car in the move, it would seem that there are two; person & car. But for you, sitting on the couch watching the movie, it is obvious there is not two (person & car), there is one, (the movie). Then imagine you’re formless and can appear as reality (the movie). Then notice you are imagination, which is formless, which is reality. Try to find ‘you’ in the movie, and you only find movie, movie, movie. You are that which is aware of, the movie...and that which is appearing as, the movie. You’re the screen, which characters ‘in the movie’ can never see, because there aren’t any characters, that’s the movie the screen is appearing to be. If it is found to be challenging, the ‘notice you are imagination’...notice indirectly. Whenever a ‘me’ seems to be, it can be noticed it is being imagined. Try to point to you. If you’re pointing to a body, notice you’re imagining you are the body.

@levani The subtle implication of the op is that there is a you, which can be or stay in / leave or not be in, a now. This is a subject-object thought. Me, and the now. Or, awareness, and the now. Without the thought, there is / was already, not-two. I (subject) don’t get it (object). That there is an I, and that there is an it, is an assumption, from believing the thought. I (subject) staying in the present moment (object). I (subject) brings back awareness (object). ‘Bring awareness back’ is a thought. Letting the thought go, it becomes, or already is, obvious awareness is aware of the thought. Are you aware? Are you aware that you are aware? Now, try to think awareness. Notice ‘you’ is a thought, that you(awareness), are aware, of.

@Conscious life Your question presupposes there is an ego which unifies with God, which is a false supposition. This is why there is the ‘blank’ of the mind, if you will, when attempting to imagine growth beyond the missed assumption. A ‘blank’ similar to thinking awareness.

The attribution of easy come easy go, itself, comes & goes, effortlessly. .

There is the thought that there is that perspective, from the standpoint or point of view of evolution and such that ‘it’ is headed towards. But there is only the thought. There is no actuality of that perspective. It doesn’t actually occur. The meaning of up is not down, and of down is not up. What is the meaning of evolution?

Awareness is a thought. Now is a thought. Awareness is not a thought. Now is not a thought.

I as God knows full well there is not a duality of self & other, and that what is not can not be destroyed. Likewise, God’s fully aware there’s no form.

@Swarnim Sense of self, is the circular thinking, the ‘hijack’ via thought attachment.

@Swarnim That people reach enlightenment is a misnomer of circular thinking. The word enlightenment points to the nonexistence of individual people and things or states they therefore reach. If you can imagine the thought process per se, the activity of the mind while writing the question, were made of sand, and someone just blew it away mid-activity...there would not be a enlightened person nor an un-enlightened person remaining. With the thoughts, or activity of the mind blown away, there would be nothing.

@Cosmin_Visan Can you recognize how the duality ( me & x ) in thinking is circular?

@Dodo I was referencing your post, not telepathy.

Both accounts...not me & you, not ego & consciousness.

@Dodo A thought which resonates, then four which don’t, is like one step forward & four steps back.

Yes. On both accounts.

I got “Voldemort”.

@zeroISinfinity That’s trolling, you devil. You gotta beat around the bush and end up at serious. Can’t straight shot it.

Human being. Categorization is a step away.

@Breakingthewall There are no states. The consciousness is ‘the person’. @zeroISinfinity @electroBeam Hilarious.