ajasatya

@Wekz good! i'm happy for you

@Heviin question to contemplate: can you really choose the path to enlightenment?

conscious duality, such as the human experience, is one of the highest manifestations of GOD. the very fact that it's possible to say "i" and feel separated is already a true gift of existence. aim for the bigger picture! there is no reason to fight the sense of "iamness". instead, investigate where it comes from

this and this

the closest example from what you're saying that i know of is from a book called "the surrender experiment" by michael a. singer. and even his story involves suffering!

good question. although i've never even heard of an enlightened human being who found his peace without being triggered by suffering, i do think that suffering is the genuine fuel for enlightenment to happen. even for those who seek enlightenment motivated by love... the very act of seeking is a manifestation of dissatisfaction, which is also a form of suffering.

then what are you waiting for exactly? survival can be hard enough even if you don't procrastinate.

@CreamCat i see. i'm done here. good luck!

@CreamCat do i smell fear of commitment? that's still to abstract, as pointed by @Shin. can you explicit exactly what you are going to do about it right after you close this tab of your web browser?

@CreamCat let's take a step further then. sorry if i am being pedantic but this is what most people evade when doing this kind of work. how exactly are you going to become a master? what should you be doing 24/7 that you aren't?

would you be ok with biologists making experiments to generate human sources of internal organs to be sold for high prices? (reference) who holds more responsibility to ponder/answer this question? members of the biology field or people who work at mcdonalds?

@CreamCat so now you just brought up a big word into the conversation: "responsibility". can you be precise on how you can develop the highest levels of responsibility on your profession?

@Peter124 changing your wording won't cut it. don't be afraid of "i", "me", "my", "mine". find out what those words are pointing to.

ok suppose i spend the next 20 years of my life studying artificial intelligence and mathematics until i become a world class reference in the field, a true master. but then all of a sudden my research starts to be implemented by federal military forces to send killing machines to invade territories and kill a lot of innocents. what went wrong in this case? even though i was a master of my field, my struggle to sharpen my skills ended up being used to implement weapons of mass destruction. time to ask what a right fight is? maybe a little late?

at some point of his life, hitler could have thought "alright, now that i have killed thousands, i consider myself a master... of genocide. time to ask myself what a right fight is" what went wrong?

how will you become a master without picking any fight (since you don't know what a right fight is)?

what is a "right fight"? take a deep breath here... this conversation has come to its climax.

hitler was a master of his work, a powerful leader and, of course, a legend. what is missing?

how does one become an absolute legend, exactly? what would make you an absolute legend?

@Ampresus bored? i know you're very young, but this is something that i did at your age (and even younger): think about your life after your parents are dead. who is going to feed you? where are you going to live? this way of thinking can shake you out of your current complacent life. engage in your quest for survival already... stop fooling yourself.

is that all a "better human being" is about?

there is still misunderstanding because you seem to be trapped in a intellectual experience of enlightenment. but real enlightenment experiences are brutally visceral, so to speak. here's another way of seeing it (still in the domain of the mind, though): are water molecules slaves of a river or are them the river itself? are planets slaves of the gravitational forces of their solar systems or are they the solar system itself? "no free will" and "free will" are ONE.

@CreamCat why would knowing True Nature stop you from embracing the human experience and sharpening your skills? i'm working towards becoming a better professional, a better husband and a better friend. in a near future, i'll do my best to be a good father and a good grandfather. i also want to learn how to cook. and i also want to have a more flexible body.

probably. the human being can think of itself as the experiencer, but that's the root cause of the whole baggage of confusion that leads people towards spiritual paths, religions, wars etc. the subtle, and yet at plain sight, Truth is that the universe is the only experiencer. and the human being can become aware of IT.

@arlin it's possible to go deeper than that as a human being (and it is a marvelous thing about the human experience that very few know). there is a huge shift when you no longer feel as if you were a human being experiencing existence, and start to feel as the entire existence experiencing a human being. the former is a mental phenomenon and the separation is felt in the gut. the later is a fully integrated phenomenon and you feel whole, meaning no identity, no human being, no self: only experience without "experienced" or "experiencer".