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  2. Posted

    8 minutes ago, 9 said:

    Today, while I was doing my daily HoloSync session I experienced going deeper than usual.

    Moment by moment, my sense of self would fade away more and more.

    Then, suddenly, I experienced a shock, I could best describe as connecting high voltage directly to your brain. 

    As you can imagine, that scared me quite a bit, my heart rate immediately went up which lasted for 1-2mins and then everything went back to normal.

    This was actually my second "jolt" experience.

    I had my first one about 6 months ago while I was meditating on relatively low dose of acid.

    That time it was more intense (well... acid :) ) and literally scared the shit out of me. Happily, I managed to collect myself and didn't go into full bad trip mode ;) 

     

    So... what do you guys make of this? Has anyone experienced anything similar?

     

    I have experienced electric impulses over the body, some minor impulses other more powerful. What you experienced in the head sounds like a "brain zap". They are fairly common on psychedelics, when going off certains meds or other times just caused by anxiety. I have had them sometimes on 4-aco-dmt, they can feel pretty unpleasant, but are nothing to worry about.

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    11 minutes ago, Prabhaker said:

    Much is possible through the Kabbalah, but the Jews have completely forgotten about it. And because they have forgotten Kabbalah they are a people without religion - the only race which is without religion.... Because Kabbalah is the basic, fundamental, essential religion for them and they have forgotten about it. It is almost as if Hindus forget about Yoga - then it will be a meaningless religion. It is as if Buddhists forget about Dhyana, Zen - then it will be meaningless.

    Exactly like that, once Jews have forgotten Kabbalah they have forgotten everything. Then you go on carrying your dead scriptures and.... But that is history, it is not religion, and kabbalah is one of the most fundamental sciences ever developed for human transformation.

    http://oshosearch.net/Convert/Articles_Osho/Far_Beyond_the_Stars/Osho-Far-Beyond-the-Stars-00000016.html

    If you are gonna copy someone completely at least have the decency to quote and cite the source. You often recite Osho (or other sources) in whatever topic. Whether it is Vipassana at night and not being able to sleep for days (which is bullshit), physical ramifications of full enlightenment, use of psychedelics etc etc. Do you actually have any opinions yourself or do you just blindly follow and buy everything someone you admire says without actually having any experience of it yourself? Do you understand how this is misleading to a lot of new people looking for info here? 

  4. Posted

    @Schuchti11 Yeah, there will be a lot of bumps on the road on this path. Sometimes you will lose flow in your practice and that is normal. Next week you may have the most profound week of your life. That's how it goes. Don't listen to your ego and keep up your practice is my advice. What I do when motivation drops is watch some videos of teachers I enjoy, take a walk in nature or do a psychedelic substance. Just keep in mind that some periods are going to be shittier than others. Hell, I've been having days where one meditation session is complete shit and agitation while the next session on that same day is very smooth and tranquil.

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    Basic Instructions

    1. Let whatever happens, happen.

    2. Whenever you’re aware of an intention to control your attention, drop that intention. Now for the subtle points. There are two sides to understanding those subtleties. First, you need to understand what the instruction requires. (Yes, there is a very small amount of doing in Do Nothing. ) Second, you need to understand what the instruction does not require (but what you might think it requires and thus make something that’s easy into something that’s hard). Let’s start with the phrase “intention to control your attention.”

    Sometimes your attention may be drawn to an experience spontaneously without control. The experience just happens. At other times, you may find yourself intentionally controlling the direction or content of your experience, trying to keep it on a certain thing or pull it away from some other thing. This is true of all sensory experience including thoughts (recall: in Basic Mindfulness, thought is defined as mental image, mental talk, or both simultaneously). Sometimes a thought just arises on its own. At other times, you may find yourself intentionally thinking about a topic, intentionally pulling away from a topic, or actively directing a thought after it has arisen spontaneously.

    During a period of Do Nothing practice, if you notice that you’re intentionally directing your awareness, you drop the intention to do so. You do this whether that intentional direction involves an objective arising (such as sights, sounds, physical body sensations), a subjective arising (such as mental images, mental talk, or emotional body sensations), a restful state, or a flow state.

    Notice that what you’ve been asked to drop is the intention to direct awareness. You’re not being asked to drop the thing that you happen to be aware of. So if a thought comes up spontaneously, you don’t have to drop that thought. But when you find yourself controlling that thought, drop that intention to control. Do Nothing never asks you to drop experiences. It only asks you to drop intentionally directing how your attention moves within experiences. And you only have to drop an intention when you happen to notice the presence of an intention, which may or may not be very often. So, when you Do Nothing, you may have a lot of sensory activity and you may go unconscious and get caught up in things quite a bit. That’s okay! Whenever you notice an intention to do anything about all of that, drop that intention.

    But what exactly does it mean to “drop” an intention? It means to let go of that intention in that moment. So, dropping is not the same as getting rid of. The intention might immediately reappear over and over. That’s perfectly fine. But what if you cannot drop it for even a moment? Then you don’t have to! Here’s why. We’re going to define intention within this context to mean something that is totally voluntary. If you cannot drop it for even a moment, then, by our definition, it is not really part of your free will. It’s happening to you and you don’t need to drop it. Notice also that the instructions do not ask you to continuously check for whether you’re intentionally controlling your awareness or not. To continuously check for the presence or absence of such intention would itself create a continuous intention! When you Do Nothing you may notice intention to control your awareness frequently, occasionally, or hardly ever. Any of these possibilities is fine.

    As you can see, anyone can do the Do Nothing technique “perfectly” because its goals are extremely modest. Of course, doing the technique perfectly does not mean that your experience of it will be pleasant, restful, or productive. That’s quite a different issue. A “perfect” period of Do Nothing practice may be essentially indistinguishable from a perfect storm of Monkey Mind.

     So, what to do when Do Nothing does nothing for you? Do something else! Basic Mindfulness gives you almost two dozen other focus options. A general principle is: • If Do Nothing makes you too spacey, try Noting for a while. • If Noting makes you too racy, try Do Nothing for a while. Now you can appreciate the initial phrase in the instructions: “Let whatever happens happen.” With this technique, there is no attempt to achieve any particular effect. If the Do Nothing approach happens to work for you at a given time, pursue it; if it doesn’t, don’t.

    Here are some guidelines and encouragements I give when I lead people in Do Nothing practice.

    • If you have an intention to get focused or settled, drop that intention. • If you have an intention to get centered or meditate, drop that intention.

    • If you have an intention to stay with a good state or fix a bad one, drop that intention.

    • If you have the intention to be clear or concentrated or in equanimity, drop that intention.

    • If you drop into equanimity, good. If you notice you’re trying to find or maintain equanimity, drop that intention. • If you drop into clarity, good. If you notice you’re trying to find or maintain clarity, drop that intention.

    • If you drop into concentrated space, good. If you notice you’re trying to find or maintain concentration, drop that intention.

    • If for a while you have no intentions to control attention, good, just hang out for as long or short as that may last. • If you get dissociated or confused, let go of any intention to do something about that.

    • If an intention to make sense of things arises, drop that intention. • Remember, if you cannot drop an intention, it’s not really voluntary by our definition so you don’t need to drop it.

    • Remember, by definition, dropping does not require any struggle. If you have to struggle to drop it, you don't need to drop it. • If you find this centering, good, that’s a sign you’re doing it right.

    • If you find this decentering, good, that’s a sign you’re doing it right.

    @carlos flores From Shinzen's Five Ways To Know Yourself system. Full book can be acquired for free here: http://www.shinzen.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/FiveWaystoKnowYourself_ver1.6.pdf

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    11 hours ago, Mattylonglegs said:

    @Esoteric Thats perfect dude! Thank you so much man these videos were perfect. Exactly what I've experienced. Did they help you out?

    It's too soon to tell since these kriyas are rather fresh experiences for me. But Shinzen knows his stuff so I'd just trust what he says in the videos, and don't worry about it. Try both to let the movements happen and also try and and be still and see if it helps to pinpoint where the movement arises in the body.

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    2 hours ago, Mattylonglegs said:

    Ah-ha! pleasure to forum with you Leo! I'm so very grateful for the content you've put out man, you helped me significantly through a dark timein my life to come out really inspired in a whole new direction. Just want to give you my heartfelt thanks for all that you d, truly.  

    I've watched the darkside of meditation video, some of that shit was spooky. I'll definitely have to check it out of then.  

    Thats a solid tip about the naps.

    I was wondering if you've had any experience or know any more about the energy circumstances. I've herd Ram Das describe pretty much the same thing I think in some of his Lectures and was wondering if you've had any insights

    I've been having the same thing regarding the energy. It started a month ago where I felt my body starts moving without my intention, like rocking back and forth, right to left, vibrations in the base of spine etc. I did some research on it and in India it is called Kriyas. 

    Shinzen Young has good and informal video about movements in the body

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9AHh9MvgyQ

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTaDZqB_RY8

  9. Posted

    30 minutes ago, sgn said:

    Thanks. I have increased my awareness about it recently and I can see more and more  how it robs me of happiness.
    I also noticed because of this awareness it then leads me to judging myself for having those judgments like you said.
    It goes like: "Damnit now I'm judging again, and I shouldn't do that. Why can't I stop?".

    But is there a next step once I recognized more of the judgments I make? How to eliminate it? Maybe cultivating understanding for why I feel the need to judge others? Maybe through more understanding of what drives people to act, behave, say, dress like they do etc? That maybe everything others do that I judge is just a result of they trying to meet their needs.

    Yeah I know exactly what you mean. I too struggle with that you start judging yourself because you judge others. It's like an ongoing battle with your ego and how it should behave. Intellectually I know I should just accept my every judgement and negative behaviour and be aware of it, but sometimes it's not so easy. I think it's a good sign that you are at least acknowledging the fact that you are judging and noticing it. If you keep being aware of that and try to work on not judging yourself for it but instead noticing it and accepting it, eventually the behaviour will correct itself I think. I have noticed that I can't be an angel all the time, I can't behave the way that I "should". And I have been progressing well the last few months. Just be patient. Have you tried the "Do Nothing" technique? I have found it has worked great for me, since it teaches you to just accept everything as it is over time.

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    Goddamnit, does this really mean I have to start working out again?

    Really though, for me it doesn't matter if the body dies. Self realization will always be the ultimate goal and the number one priority, I had just never heard of that the body may die soon after and wanted to check if it others had heard about it. Honestly though, I got really frustrated and agitated (it's that period for me) during meditation yesterday and was thinking like "Fucking Osho, what does he know. Spreading fear in people. Probably just a spiritual troll". Now today I just feel like it doesn't matter at all. Ego is a funny thing.

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    32 minutes ago, Prabhaker said:

     The phenomenon is not natural; one should say, it is beyond nature. When a phenomenon occurs which is contrary to nature, or which is beyond nature, the entire harmony and adjustment of nature becomes disorderly. A great deal of preparation is needed if one wants to save oneself from such a disorderly state. Various yogasanas and mudras, yoga postures, are very helpful in this respect. In fact all the techniques of Yoga are useful in this direction. So you need an extraordinary body -- an ordinary body won't work. You need your body to be made of steel so that it can withstand an unnatural phenomenon of such great magnitude. 
     

    Ramakrishna died with a cancer of the throat, Raman Maharshi died with a cancer. J Krishnamurti suffered almost forty years with the most intense migraine possible. Buddha was often sick, so much so that one of his disciples -- an emperor, Prasenjita -- offered him his own personal physician. For his whole life, King Prasenjita's physician followed Gautam Buddha with a large wagon full of all kinds of medicines, books on medicine, particularly those which might be needed for Buddha. Mahavira continuously suffered from stomach troubles and finally died from the same troubles.

    Very few people survive enlightenment, and the reason why these people survive is strange: people who have been adventurous, people who have enjoyed taking risks, who have lived like a tightrope walker, whose lives have been on a razor's edge, may survive. The shock will be there, but they are accustomed to smaller shocks. They have never had such a big shock, but smaller shocks have prepared them to accept even this enormous phenomenon. They still continue to breathe; their heart still continues to beat. But still the body suffers in many ways because something has happened that the body cannot understand.

    No scripture of the world discusses it. The question of discussion does not even arise -- no scripture even mentions it, and it has been happening for centuries. Perhaps they were afraid that if they say it... People are already not interested in enlightenment, and if you tell them that this is going to be the reward -- that you become enlightened and your fuse goes off -- this may prevent even those few who might try. They will say, "What nonsense it is. You work hard to attain enlightenment and what do you get as a reward? -- that you are finished! You are not even going to see yourself enlightened. So what is the point? It is a strange game.

     

    Yeah Ramana died of cancer, but then most people die of cancer when they get old. You have no foundation to say it was realization that caused it in him or any other sage who has died. Ramana was still 70 when he died, and was realized at age 16. Maharaj was 84. They grew to be pretty old. And even if the Buddha was often sick (who the hell knows), and Mahavira had stomach aches, how can you make the claim that it is because of realization? You have presented no reason whatsoever that make that assumption. People get sick, no matter what awareness they have attained.

    And looking at modern sages/teachers like Spira, Mooji, Ralston, Young they come off as healthy and vibrant, and some of them are getting up there in age.

  16. Posted

    2 minutes ago, Deep said:

    @Esoteric Yes some other yogis such as Ramakrishna have said that you can die during nirvikalpa samadhi if you stay in it longer than 21 days. Someone has to shake you out of the meditation so you can eat and drink. LOL  

    I haven't read all of Osho's book so I'm not sure what he's talking about. I think he is implying that you have to be disciplined to attain enlightenment, which is true. Spirituality is very brutal. 

    Yeah, it makes sense that you can forget your physical needs such as hydration and nutrition. That is what also almost happened to Ramana Maharshi when he went to that mountain after realization.

    Osho wrote that it happens like a shock to the body which causes it to die because it physically can't handle it, and also that it happens to "most of the enlightened people". I just found that part really weird.

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    12 minutes ago, Dodoster said:

    But those things are already there, you're not consciously choosing to make the illusion stronger, it's about seeing that if you observe those things you're not them and they happen by themselves and you can let go. That's what is happening and you're observing. Do you want to be significant? There's no way, because you don't exist. It's the mind that wants to add to you by opening third eye, crown chakra, etc. I almost never heard a high quality spiritual guru talk about esoteric-ism. I don't see anything more Ego than this. But this is only my mind speaking so fuck it, go clear your blockages.

    Dude, I am not saying I will learn about chakras to "attain enlightenment". I am saying I have become aware of chakras spontaneously through meditation and I want to learn more about how they work and have some knowledge about them if anything comes up. Makes sense to me. No need to preach. Also Shinzen Young talks about his experiences with Japanese Vajrayana quite a bit, which is was a positive experience for him. Rupert Spira incorporates and talks quite a bit about Tantra in his teachings. Maybe you don't view them as "quality spiritual gurus", but I certainly do. Probably a handful of others as well.

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    Just now, Green Warrior said:

    @Emerald Wilkins @Esoteric  You both are great. Thank you for sharing. I have been neglecting about 3/4 of my body or the body. How often do you do vipassana? I am not familiar with that meditation yet. 

    After my retreat I have been doing Vipassana for 1-3 hours a day with great results. If you want to learn Goenka style Vipassana you should look into visiting a retreat to fully learn the technique. But you can also just do scans yourself paying attention to all body parts starting with the head, going to the neck, then shoulders, then arms etc etc. Just being aware of them, seeing if any sensation is there. Also check out Jon-Kabat Zinn. I remember some years ago I listened to his guided body-scan meditation. It was 45 minutes and he guides you through the whole body. Try something like that, and see if it resonates with you :)

  21. Posted

    1 minute ago, Dodoster said:

    Well maybe he means it in the sense that there was no more person, therefore dead. The bodymind operating completely on it's own, like a well oiled machine. 

    Well I didn't interpret it as such since in the next paragraph he writes that Mahavira and Buddha were both strong warriors with strong bodies hence didn't physically die from the experience

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    http://www.osho.com/iosho/library/read-book/online-library-vipassana-enlightenment-sleeping-1098f342-80b?p=f743a1192270f8faf358954bf6b2a91d

    "Most of the enlightened people in the world have died almost immediately after enlightenment - the shock is too much. The body may not be able to take it, unless the body is specially prepared to take it."

    Thoughts about that statement? I have never heard of anything like that before. I haven't listened or read Osho much. I know he is respected in some circles while others view him as a spiritual fraud.

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    @Green Warrior I had blockages in my head. What removed it for me was actually a Vipassana retreat (body sweeping). Now, I don't know 100% what removed the blockage, but my guess is that I started focusing on the body as a whole, forcing to pay attention to the whole body for hours every day for several days. Prior I had done a lot of "Do Nothing" technique so my attention automatically was going towards my head area since the sensations was by far loudest there. So maybe try to sweep/scan the body, giving equal attention to it for awhile, and see if it helps? I got curious about chakras because of those blockages. I wasn't actually worried about the blockages though, I figured it was just a phase, and I have read a lot of people saying you do get those pressure thingies happening and eventually they will disappear. So yeah, I dunno exactly what is the right approach, but thought I'd share my experience and what helped me.

  24. Posted

    3 hours ago, Emerald Wilkins said:

    You can look around on different articles and videos online. This has been very helpful for me. But if you want to learn a TON about chakras and how the whole system works, I recommend the book "Wheels of Life" by Anodea Judith. Not only will this give you a ton of information about chakras, it will also help you put certain spiritual paths and esoteric understandings in perspective. It has really helped me connect some dots. 

    Thanks! I will check that book out.

  25. Posted

    7 hours ago, Emerald Wilkins said:

    You can try placing stones like Crystal Quarts (Crown) and Amethyst (Third Eye) close to those chakras or even sleeping with them under your pillow. Also, essential oils like Sage (Crown), Lavender (Third Eye), Peppermint (Throat), and Rosewood (Heart) are good. You can dilute them, and either rub a small amount on your skin near those chakras or you can put them in a diffuser or a glass spray bottle and disperse them into the air. Be sure that the essential oils are high quality and pure though. And only use spring water or minimally chemically filtered water for the mix. You can also try fasting for a short period of time as this is said to help unblock and open the Crown Chakra and the Third Eye Chakra. If you don't want to fast, you may instead try eating fruits with bluish or purple color to them, such as blueberries and blackberries. Water is said to be very helpful as well. Also, the Crown Chakra is associated with the color Violet. Blue is also related to the upper chakras. 

    With all of these things, you want to introduce these things gradually as you don't want to overdo it. There are cases where people have gone overboard with Kundalini meditation and other such practices like Quigong, and ended up experiencing serious psychological and physiological problems. So, I would start perhaps with the stones or essential oils first, and see how it works out for you. 

    You seem knowledgeable when it comes to chakras and how to work with them, and I have been growing more and more curious about working with the chakra system, but I don't want to explore it fully without a great deal of knowledge and how to work with it in a responsible and beneficial manner. Do you know any websites, articles, books etc. that gives a good overview on how to start? :)