Salvijus

Yes you're right. Psychedelics have been used for spiritual work. But I don't think they were able to shortcut the journey much. They still had to go through gradual awakening and embodiment like everyone else using meditation and whatnot. If used right psychedelics can assist the process of awakening but there's a difference between how a shaman is using the substance and a random dmt hippy. One may benefit and the other may ruin his life. Or a drunkard-sex addict and a occult tantric yogi. Both do the same things but the result is very different. I just think the way you approach spirituality won't lead to a good future and good results. At least I can't see any evidence of it yet. I'm still rooting for you to blossom someday with this method of yours. Maybe then I will change my mind about it. Regards ? @Leo Gura

@The Mystical Man I think similar to you If psychedelics could cut dacades of practice short then spiritual traditions would've done that looong time ago. Why would anyone meditate for years to reach happyness when you can pop some pills and be in extasy without doing anything? It's because it reduces human life for worse in the long run and doesn't bring about the fulfilment that human life is truly longing for. Evolution of consciousness takes a certain time. A tree has it's pace of growing, body has it's pace of growing, awareness and soul has it's own pace of growing. You don't expect a tree or an infant to reach it's full growth in one day by doing some chemical engineering. All life has to move through every stage of growth organically step by step, the way nature intended. And if you're in tune with a natural way of doing things then a spiritual path becomes a joy every day. Just rising your consciousness 1mm everyday makes you so fulfilled. Everyday is better then before. Enlightenment is not a sprint, it's a marathon. End goal is not even important. Living a fulfilling life that moves you constantly in a higher and higher state is a more sensible way to live I think.

Tau Malachi.

I heard that some cultivators go into the dark for long periods of time to see these lights and then they use them for their spiritual growth. There's a whole science and technology behind it along with initiations. These lights can be used for many things if you know what you're doing.

Mooji ?

Haha. Well sayed actually just be careful. There's a very thin line between not caring what people think genuinely because of one's awareness and being an asshole who doesn't give a fuck about anyone which comes out of bitterness and frustration ? they look similar Being straight and no bullshit is very good. But you use that often as an excuse to lash out on people your discontent which is not intentional but still has a destructive effect which happens rather too often unfortunately.. I think it's something to be aware of ? All the best ? P.s. To be inconsiderate has nothing to do with authenticity and consciousness also ? To say that being a jerk is my authentic persona is a... bit of a delusion No offence meant ?

@Leo Gura it's not about politeness Your volition in everything that you say carries a deep rooted pattern of aggressiveness and anger in it. This volition will not bear positive fruit for you or others even if you say all the right things. Unless you start functioning from higher state of consciousness of peace and harmony, everything you do will be destructive. I'm sure everybody knows and heard it 1000s times but still many fall into the same trap over and over again You still have a long way to go bro to rise your baseline consciousness and take away those deep rooted vasanas if you care about making a positive impact on the world. The language of god is vibration, not the concepts. ? Sorry if this hits the nerve ? But reflect on it ? Good luck ?

It's hard to speak about this without triggering anyone It's nice that you brought it up tho. I think many people noticed it. It's something I've been dealing with aswell personally. It's like even if try to say something positive it comes out with an old pattern of violent volition, violent vibration. You just can't help it. And then this violent vibration triggers others who have that similar vasana and then it multiplies. Important thing is not what you say but your state of consciousness from which you speak. What kind of vibration do you emanate makes all the difference. Leo speaks big truths on a conceptual level but from energetic level it's a very low vibration of conflict and ego and criticism usually. And that always breeds only more conflict unfortunately. With all due respect I don't mean to offend in any way ? just a constructive observation I made. Something to reflect upon for many ? Regards ?

Try massaging your testicals and pelvic area on a daily basis I heard Mantak Chia say that all toxins naturally go down to the sexual organ. If you don't massage it, problems may arise. We sit too long, blood is not circulating well and that area gathers most toxins. That's why it's important. In my own case I experienced spasm in my testicals after going for 4months on semen retention. That's when I learnt that massaging is important it worked wonders for me. You can learn more about it on youtube from Mantak Chia Good luck ?

Sadhguru only made fun of some vedanta studends not the vedanta itself. And rightly so. I see many Shankara Pillais on this forum all the time. very valuable teaching in the end for advaita studends to be aware of and not to fall into that deception. ?

Hi @lmfao Become aware of the one who makes effort and you will discorver your effortless nature of pure being. ?

Hi Giulio, I had a similar experience. All I did was sit in silence aware of the sense of being and the stagnant prana from the stomach would get released by itself like bubbles or smth. It took about 2years of purification to make that stomach lump go away. Constant burping is the also there for me. I think it's a sign of purification because it happens a lot when I meditate or do yoga. Congratz. You've made it ??? The flower has blossomed ? Stay Blessed for always Giulio ?

I think it's more like transmission of Christ consciousness. Same as what other tranditions call as shaktipat or initiation. Shaktipat, initiation and baptism are the same thing but different words. Holy spirit means guru's grace or guru's presence or guru's energy. Amen to Christ, Alhamdulillah

There are men who desire to have sex with kali and she looks like a demon. It's not what you look like, it's what you feel like. ?

Cool.

Sadhguru sayed consciousness can not be attained through chemicals. But chemicals can be used to purge the system to assist the spiritual process. Also the use of these substances can lead to debilitation, addiction and other negative consiquences. The science of enlightenment is a complex one. If we stay genuine, we will understand that we don't understand anything at all on this subject. I know there are gaps and further questions to be asked here on this subject. But for some reason sadhguru is discouraging people from using such substances and it's not out of ignorance. Obviously it's coming out of enourmous understanding of life and machanics of enlightenment. No one here could argue with that. Let's rather stay open and try to deepen our understanding rather then making premature conclusions and stopping ourselves from further growing. Stay Blessed & take care ?

Lol, I can't make sense of it either This thing is a complex subject, not for us to understand really. This video might help to make sense of it. Regards ?

@Waken ?

@Waken It's a strange thing, Mooji doesn't speak of it much and the process is not official in any way. Just his presence is transmitting nondual understanding alone. I heard him say many strange things over the years like, "One day, when you're ready, I will say a word to you, it could be any word and that word will be like an energy code that enters you and deconstructs your entire personhood" stuff like that. He speaks about things like that only on his private website usually. When I say I received transmition from him all I meant was that I attended his satsang online. Where he openly sayed he's not teaching anything, rather transmitting and it's up to us to receive it or not. After that satsang my self-inquiry totally changed. Things started to open up inside in a different way then before. ? Excerpt from Papaji's book

@OBEler Yes of course. No doubt about it I've experienced a few online transmitions during the pandemic with other teachers like Mooji and Mantak Chia. Was very powerful. ?

@OBEler Yes ? when the programs where still happening in person not like now

It is the initiation that is important not the instructions. It's more like baptism or consecration. It's a very sacred process that can change your life in ways you have not imagined. Without initiation maybe your lung capacity will increase, but transformation will not happen. This video might be worth watching to understand a few things about life. Stay Well ?

I can relate to what @Vytas sayed. I had the same experience. Shambhavi is probably the most effective practice that I know that gives you so much wellbeing in so little time and effort. I remember when I used to do self-inquiry for 2+ years and I was still super miserable and depressed all the time. It gave me a lot increase of self-awareness but it couldn't solve my mood at that time. Then when I learned shambhavi what I experienced was that in a very short time depression was totally over. I totally forgot the meaning of depression. I didn't even notice when it dissapeared. I really don't know any other practice that could do this so effectively and in such a short time. Of cource I still do and like self-inquiry, it has it's own beauty. But shambhavi has that very noticable superficial happyness effect. It's a bit like getting a little intoxicated everyday in the morning so that life looks more beautiful and less heavy It's sells well. I think shambhavi is what most people want in today's world. To enjoy their life is not a small achievement. There are many meditators who are on a spiritual path for many years and still having a hard time with everyday suffering and depression. I think there're now online initiations happening into the shambhavi practice. It's quite exciting. ?

Initiation into self-inquiry can open many doors for you. I don't know much but Papaji and Mooji use initiations into self-inquiry. Then it's a different world.

Also in a few hours today Gangaji will be streaming online meeting. It would have great benefit for you that you wont be able to appreaciate at this point perhaps. I recommend you make use of this possibility. She's an advaita, self-inquiry teacher. Stay Well ?