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Echkart Tolle's super ordinary outlook is so deceptive. He never has "I am special" smirk on his face. To the point that many beginner meditators start think better of themselves and more advanced than he is. To be god and remain so ordinary takes very high level of refinenment and purification of the mind. "My sober state of consciousness is more pleasent then lsd state, that's why I don't do psychedelics, they only bring me down" ~ Eckhart Tolle Personaly I've meditated for 5+ years and I listen to Echkart every day. I always learn something new from him. And the funny thing is - being present is the highest and fastest way to self-realization. But people think it's for newbies... I laugh at this very often nowadays ?

I'm sorry, I didn't understand what you write ? However I feel to explore a bit more on this topic. I tend to think about this in this way. That psychedelics don't affect the consciousness, they affect the brain, the receiver of consciousness. It's like a radio, waves and frequencies are in the universe and by changing things in the radio you receive different sounds. So by taking psychedelics you change the state of the receiver, perhaps you change the channel and suddenly you're in different world altogether or you expand the range of how much more information can the receiver download. When you go to sleep you don't turn off the consciousness, you turn off the receiver. So you can't affect the consciousness you can only play with instrument of your body-mind-receiver. An alien would perhaps have different possiblieties and states of experience because his instrument is different. Same with animals. Don't take this too seriously because it may not be true in the end, idk, it's just something interesting to think about Stay Blessed. ??

I think what Rupert Spira says makes a lot of sense. That you can't increase consciousness you can only increase or decrease the density of your ego. From what I understand psychedelics seem to do is they somehow override or remove this weight and density of ego identity temporarily or perhaps make a small crack in the shell of ego and can show you what's beyond the clouds into some facet of god through that open window. But they don't do anything to consciousness directly. The only real question is how much access do you have to this infinite intelligence. Your brain is like a receiver of consciousness. If it's cramped with too much personhood then you cant download much of this infinite intelligence. You have to make some space in there first. That's what psychedelics temporarely do. They remove the clouds. I honestly feel this makes sense but it's not for me to speak on these matters Regards ?:)

Ram Dass shares very useful thoughts on the same matter. Worth watching. ?

I guess I know what you mean. I would have the same dilema with video games. Wanting to know if I would remain present when playing video games. Perhaps it's even more difficult than the alcohol challenge I heard gurdgeff used to make his students drink bear and make them stay aware. I don't know why that matters. ??

lol It's not forbidden Do you live in a permenant state of presence/nowness?

Echkart Tolle says that if awareness is your permenant state(in other words enlightened) you can get drunk on alcohol and nothing will happen to your level of awareness. But if you're still not established firmly awareness and you get drunk once in 1-2weeks it will considerably put you back in your progress of rising awareness. I wonder if it applies to psychedelics the same way.

Don't try to understand him, his whole point was to trigger you. And he did that very successfully. The fact that you can't stop thinking about him is the proof of that. "You can love me or hate, the only thing I don't want is to be ignored"

To add a little bit on your question. I would stay present while reading or listening something "boring" like you say but it still drains energy and makes you feel tired. When you listen to a very mental person it's like a vampire who sucks life out of you, no matter how present you are when you listen to someone who speaks from presence, it gives you life. ??

Don... That was horrible! Please write something from presence , even one word. ? otherwise it's just too flat (or boring like you put it) GL ??

Stay Blessed ?

Sorry, it's contagious tho ?

Reaĺly? ?

Hi @The Don ? Cool thread. I see that you already started the process, that's very great. I started being present more than a year ago also. I'm writing this text in present aswell you should try it ?

@BlackMaze ?

I support vegetarian diet but I like what echkart has to say on this.

I was quietly sitting by the banks of the Ganga in Rishikesh between Ram Jhula and Lakshman Jhula, watching the fishes moving through the water. As I sat there I had an extraordinary vision of myself, the self that had been ‘Poonja’, in all its various incarnations through time. I watched the jiva [reincarnating soul] move from body to body, from form to form. It went through plants, through animals, through birds, through human bodies, each in a different place in a different time. The sequence was extraordinarily long. Thousands and thousands of incarnations, spanning millions of years, appeared before me. My own body finally appeared as the last one of the sequence, followed shortly afterwards by the radiant form of the Maharshi. The vision then ended. The appearance of the Maharshi had ended that seemingly endless sequence of births and rebirths. After his intervention in my life, the jiva that finally took the form of Poonja could incarnate no more. The Maharshi destroyed it by a single look. As I watched the endless incarnations roll by, I also experienced time progressing at its normal speed. That is to say, it really felt as if millions of years were elapsing. Yet when my usual consciousness returned, I realized that the whole vision had occupied but an instant of time. One may dream a whole lifetime but when one wakes up one knows that the time that elapsed in the dream was not real, that the person in the dream was not real, and that the world which that person inhabited was not real. All this is recognized instantly at the moment of waking. Similarly, when one wakes up to the Self, one knows instantly that time, the world, and the life one appeared to live in it are all unreal. That vision by the Ganga brought home this truth to me very vividly. I knew that all my lifetimes in samsara were unreal, and that the Maharshi had woken me up from this wholly imaginary nightmare by showing me the Self that I really am. Now, freed from that ridiculous samsara, and speaking from the standpoint of the Self, the only reality, I can say, ‘Nothing has ever come into existence; nothing has ever happened; the unchanging, formless Self alone exists’. That is my experience, and that is the experience of everyone who has realized the Self. A few years later, when I was staying in Paris, someone showed me a copy of the Nirvana Sutra. I read it and found that the Buddha had had a similar experience. ❤️ Papaji Excerpt from book: Nothing Ever Happened, Volume Two. By David Godman

@Galyna I bow down to you...

Nice... but psychedelics? or natural?

Hi been itching to post something about this thing for a long time now so here it goes @Leo Gura have you considered that it could be a psychological thing? A toxic mind can seriously poison the body and health. Vitamin deficianty are peanuts compared to what anger or stress can do to health. My personal experience showed me that spending over a year on this forum arguing about things caused immense damage to my health. Every organ started to give me trouble. My ayurveda doc sayed this is probably psychosomatic so I did a vipassana retreat and just layed low from posting anything on the forum and meditated a lot and what I experienced was huge releases like knots of blocked prana in my stomach and abdoman area being released over and over. And over a year my health became much much better. I still get those prana releases like bubbles going up even now in my stomach. This wounds don't heal as fast as I thought. So, This period of being angry and then meditating gave me a first hand experience of what anger can do to health. It seems like a small and insignificant thing to get angry once in a while but when you do it for a year everyday, rambling in your own mind about how someone is wrong and you are right, this can easily cause any number of problems over years. And for what is worth, purifying the mind is always good for health, for everybody this is true. Even if your health problem is not psychosomatic, purifying the mind is still very helpful in many ways. Cheers! Good luck and hope you find your solution https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GN0nIG8yZG8

Suriya kriya is my favorite, feels very good to do it in the morning at least one cycle I always do. It makes the day go much better. There are many exciting benefits to that practice. One of the most noticable are probably the mental and psychological benefits that come with it. I saw a huge difference in my mental state even after the first time of doing the practice Yogasanas are very powerful if you're interested in having powerful energy states and consciousness. When I first started to do yogasanas the energy of some asanas were so intense that it would produce hot heat on my forehead and make my body tremble with energy until the energy system strenghtened and learned to hold that much energy. Yogasanas can be a brutal practice in the beginning. I would recommend suriya kriya and shambhavi mahamudra as the most essential practices to experience. Shambhavi mahamudra especially actually. Good luck

Buddhism says all your life is your karma. Karma means it's your creation. When Leo says that everything is imagination, it's exacly the same thing that yoga and buddhism say when they say your life is 100% your karma or your making. (Same as your imagination) So it seems they do have the same insights that you speak about. Just some thoughts I wanted to add to this topic Cheers, good luck

@Member yeah what you've sayed sounds about right. I guess there are more than one way of doing this. Creating another vehicle is how Mantak Chia does and teach.

I saw many people with zero meditation experience to go through vipassana retreat. You can do it, everyone can. It looks like a lot but it's easier than it sounds because the place is very supportive and charged with a lot of positive energy. I'm not saying it will be easy, you'll have to struggle of cource but you can definatly do it. It would be very good for you and your growth.

What you call as consciousness is the feeling I Am. This feeling I Am you can seperate from the body and move it around. Right now everywhere you body moves your sense I Am moves with it. But there is a way to move the sense I Am without moving the body. For this you need to build an energy vehicle where you can transport your consciousness/sense I Am into it. It takes a lot of energy/kriya practice to build such an veichle. Then you can transport the sense I Am in this vehicle, sometimes also called an astral body and move about in the cosmos and different astral realms. People who can teach you these practices and how to achieve such things are esoteric paths usually, particulary Mantak Chia is teaching these techniques openly to everyone. And I think Kabbalah speaks of this also, it's a Christian version of the same thing. Tau Malachi a christian mystic that I know who can teach you this. He calls it transferance of consciousness and conscious death. Sadhguru also teaches this in his advanced programs indirectly. But this is not the highest goal. There is something beyond the I Am sense that is Absolute and is aware of the sense I Am. Transferace of consciousness is still just a spiritual entertainment only and not freedom.