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The problem of what Biden says is quite obvious, the other side of the coin. Palestine has the right to defend itself too. This mentality is harmful and we gotta start getting over it. We are, but Biden is old school, his position is not a surpisse. Now, I'm not gonna pretend the two sides are equally at fault, I don't believe that for a second. What the Netanyahu administration is doing is terrorism. Right now it seems that they've been escalating the conflict because it benefits them in the new government negotiations. Sad but true. People and children are dying for this shit. They just bombed a media building. That's peace and free speech, right? Yang fucked it up, that was funny. He is in a bad spot because he has had quite a progressive support history and they are not going to take that from him if he wants to lead them. Liberals won't trust him either though.

I think addressing this topic in extreme terms like saving the planet is quite disingenuous. If as humans we reduce meat consumption, it will be good for the environment, the less we eat, the better. Why? Because meat production requires a lot of resources and land. When you eat a steak, you are also consuming all that the cow ate during all its life, the water that growing that feed was needed, the land to grow that feed, the costs of processing and transporting that to the animals, the medicines that those animals were given preventively. It's not about the methane, at least not only. It's a lot that's behind the meat and we are close to 8 billion human beings now. The problem will catch up with us if these 8 billion start eating meat at the rate of the developed world citizens. That won't happen because the planet can't sustain it. Now, can we fuck things up? Wait and see. Maybe I was wrong and the terms were correct, but you gotta change the won't for will.

I watched the movie, sorry, guilty pleasure. I like dumb action movies. Presents a 17-year-old girl taught by her father using guns, who also intervenes at some point, as the saviors of a school kidnapping and shooting situation, in contrast to the school staff and police itself who are totally incompetent. If it was another action movie, fine by me, but I just cannot abstract from the real-world problem that exists, mostly in the USA. It's quite tactless, the very least. Just today we could see this loony congresswoman, Marjory Greene, following a real school shooting survivor, recording him, asking him questions, and telling him that she owns guns, what the fuck is wrong with her. Back to the movie, the kidnapers are four students, led by one, who broadcasts the entire thing because he basically wants to be famous, that's his motivation. Whatever. By the way, I don't think it's very common for school shooters to take hostages this way for long periods of time, normally they just go with their guns and munition, and do all the damage they can as fast as they can, then they are stopped or killed by the police, if they haven't killed themselves first. In that situation what you need is luck not to be in front of them when they start, run fast, and call the police, who have protocols and training to deal with this kind of shit. Well, if you had the chance to disarm a shooter somehow, then good for you, and it's not unwise, because he's gonna shoot you anyway, but it's not very realistic. If the message they want to send is that the solution is to have more people with access and training with guns, as the girl and her father, it's really dumb. Because what about the other side, the school shooters? In real life as well, they have easy access to firearms and that is why there is a problem in the first place. There needs to be more gun control, not only for school shootings but crime in general. In my defense, I like serious movies too, but I had to watch this shit myself. I wanted to dislike it more, but it was at least entertaining, sorry.

Sometimes antiracism goes too far, I can agree on that, but not most of the time. The trend of being more concerned about antiracism than about racism feels wrong to me.

Nancy Pelosi is willing to go forward with the impeachment if Pence doesn't make the move to remove Trump with the 25th amendment, which will probably be the case, as the president has only a few days left in office. Glad to hear she is all in with her intention to prosecute Trump. He went too far, his serious lies caused this and he encouraged the mob to act for him with the final intention to put him in office instead of Biden, the real winner of the election. As a side note, he said he would be there with them, but he totally abandoned them in the end. He sent them his love though, after perpetrating all those attacks on a democratic institution in which five people died, and they will have to face legal consequences for their actions now.

This is awesome, Schwarzenegger can reach conservatives, one of their own that they admire with a piece of patriotic music in the back. The message was good, as he didn't skip pointing Trump as what he is and what he did. And he keeps the Conan sword!! I admire him too!!

If someone would have stolen an election, I don't care which side, protests would have been in fact legit. The thing is, Biden won, there is no evidence of fraud and there is evidence that it has been a clean election. There is room for improvements, but votes were counted normally and the result was neat. No judge could accept any of his allegations or objections about the process as valid or significant to the results. If someone is trying to steal the election, that's Trump. He had nothing to back his position up, and there he is, claiming that he has won and that the election has been stolen from him. What he has done has been a threat to democracy, unprecedented in US history. His party members have not been up to the situation either, as many of the loud media propagandists, but this last was expected. The MAGA mob that attacked the Capitol should respond for their actions, protesting is one thing, entering by force an official democratic institution is another, and the clash caused victims. But the chain of responsibility clearly ends up at the very top, this wouldn't have happened if Trump had not insisted on a victory that never belonged to him. I never thought Trump had a chance to repeat as president, he didn't have the votes, no judge could accept his baseless claims, too much stretching for most media, and the military has not backed him either, which would have been a crazy last resort. He should be impeached or processed for this, the sooner, the better.

They will say: What the fuck they were thinking when they elected this clown in 2016? The man wearing horns has been arrested. He proudly published his name on Twitter, he sees himself as a real patriot fighting for the rightful president. Some Republicans were shamelessly blaming Antifa for this, without providing any real evidence, what a surprise, and this guy was pointed as one of them. Of course, this wasn't done by Antifa, those are MAGA people 100%, this guy must have felt insulted, so he had to come out. The right has a problem now when they point the left as the violents against liberty or whatever they say. The problem is called January 6, 2021. There was more evidence before, but this is like the cherry on the top of the cake. A huge cherry.

I expected Trump to be that irresponsible not to concede, but I didn't expect the overwhelming majority of Republican politicians to be so coward not to speak up and clearly say that his candidate lost and that there has not been any voter fraud in such a long time. What we've seen the other day is a consequence of that. A considerable part of Trump's followers truly believe that the election was stolen from them, they believe every word his leader tells them. In their head, they are saving democracy, although they really are doing the opposite, they are trying to put someone in office without winning an election. It's madness, it's a shame. Trump will be held responsible for this in history because he is. I don't know to what extent he could be legally held for this now.

Capitalism has already rules, rules established by the politicians lobbied by the wealthiest companies. So we need other rules for it established by politicians lobbied by the people. Why? Because capitalism, as it is, is causing a lot of unnecessary suffering to so many people and is holding us back as societies towards development. Will we get perfection? No. but that doesn't mean we cannot aim for better horizons. People need to wake up and vote for more decent politicians, which is not that easy, as the media is owned by those same companies that will, directly and indirectly, send messages to prevent that. I'm not saying it is a conspiracy, they mostly believe their own bullshit.

I think Trump would totally go with it if he thought he had enough support. The military may be closer to him, but this is too much, it won't happen. It's so obvious Biden has won cleanly, Trump's claims of fraud are baseless and ridiculous. Biden is not that much a revolutionary figure either, if it was Sanders, we could be more worried.

This has been a huge win towards a more conscious politics, not only for the USA, but also globally for the position and influence this country has in the world scale. You've fired Donald Trump and sent him and his supporters a message, that's not how you rule in a country that aims to lead the world, at least in the XXI century. Congrats to women for the first female vice president elect, it must mean a lot. Considering Biden's age, Kamala Harris may have to present herself on 2024, wait for it. Biden is not going to implement a lot of the policies many of us would like, and yet his election was the right one, the alternative was Trump. We can learn a lot from the last four years, it was painful, but not in vain. Biden will have to deal with a bunch of crazy MAGAs and it may get ugly with the COVID situation. But remember that Trump has shown his true colors last five days, he's not willing to accept democracy, which makes him an aspiring dictator, although he wouldn't call it like that, he would just declare the mailing votes ilegal and say he won, if he could. Aspirations that won't happen, as he won't have the support to fulfil them. It was a pleasure, see you next time!

Tim Pool After Biden Won: "We always knew this was going to happen." That's a real quote, btw. I forgot where the clip was, though. I remember people telling on this forum that Trump was going to win for sure, that we couldn't see it because we lived in our own information bubble. Man, that's exactly where they were, and unconsciously projecting it into others. They will deny it of course, like this guy that always knew Biden was going to win. MAGAs melting down and their compilations all over social media, receiving a bit of four years later Karma. Trump is the loser now, the worst kind of one, he can't accept it. What a difference with John McCain or any other candidate that ever lost, including Hillary. He couldn't leave honorably, it's not a surprisse.

Anyone who voted for this should be proud.

It is, the images below are from the anniversary of the death of the Spanish fascist dictator Franco in 2016. Spaniard fascists simpathize with Trump, surprise, as it's quite obvious for their signs. The ultra right political party in Spain got 15% in the general elections last year, awful. Image taken from the documentary The silence of others (2019)

Rudy Giuliani is presenting his witnesses live. A woman that "felt the fraud". I'm not kidding. lol

Oh, he really tweeted this? I'm gonna get some popcorn. ???

How cool, this is the moment! Checked NYTimes and Huffpost, classics. One says 273 the other 284 for Biden, AKA Sleepy Joe.

Paula White, amazing!

My prediction was that it was going to be very even and that Trump would win. I was right about the first part, but I'm very glad I was wrong about the winner. Trump has been beaten by Sleepy Joe, eat that, Trumpists! Looking at the vote numbers, Trump has had more votes than in 2016. I feared this, most people who voted for him before, have voted for him again, and even more in this polarized scenario. People prefer to stick with whatever they have done before admitting they were wrong, it's a self-defense mechanism. The lower in the spiral dynamics model, the more difficult to admit an error, they prefer to double down. I'm not that afraid of Trumpism in the medium term, he is still going to be an annoying figure for a while, but that's all. There's no one like him to take the place in the Republican party as far as I know. Society is evolving as well, so it will be more difficult that someone like him gets to power again. So why did Trump lose? Well, after four years of his bullshit, the opposition for him as awaken. In 2016 we had not seen him in charge yet and it was taken for granted that he would lose, not only by Hilary but the people in general, huge mistake. Biden sure has his base, but a lot of his votes have come from people who just dislike Trump and wanted him out of office. Totally legit reason to vote, thank god it happened. Trump has confirmed our worst fears, he is trying to stay in power even after losing the election. But seems to me more and more people will leave his boat and it will be fast. He's behaving antidemocratically. There's no way he can sustain why he wanted to stop the count in places he was leading and keep it in places he was not. It's just admitting he doesn't accept democracy, what people vote. Not even Fox News could go with that. He still has those inconditionals and followers in denial, those insisting the truth of fraud will come out. I checked Tucker Carlson and Ben Shapiro, they are there, and we have some examples on this thread as well, one is very obvious. But it won't, counting votes takes time, remember that other states have not finished counting either, the only thing is that there are four where the result is being very even for both. The system can and should be improved, but claims about fraud are baseless. So let's see how the next years go. Biden has room to amend some of the horrible policies and manners his predecessor has been implementing. I won't lie, I won't expect much from him. He seems blue - orange to me, with some sparks of green. But that's much better than an incendiary red narcissist like Trump. Glad he's done.

Hate speech is a problem, indeed. There are vulnerable people in society, like minorities that can never obtain political power to set the rules, for example, native Americans. Women, who have had less power than men through all history. LGTB people, who have dealt and deal with systemic hatred and offensive treatment. Inmigrants, which can be vulnerable economically and legally. Poor people, from any race. Blacks, slavery history, not that far from now. Children or elderly people, for obvious reasons. When hate speech goes towards any of these more vulnerable people, we've historical evidence that this can become dangerous for their integrity, and the harm can come from the institutions or from other people. As societies, we can aim for a more secure situation for all. Sometimes some people may need to be defended from the harassment of others, mostly when it's repeated or systemic. Where is the line where we should intervine or not? Difficult to say. As an example, it used to be normal to say hitting your wife is fine, should we allow that speech now, to someone that really believes it? Well, I thihnk at this point we've agreed to censor those speeches that directly look to harm any person or community. What about saying someone or a whole community is inferior? Is that fine? I don't think so, we gotto protect ourselves from ourselves as a community. I'm just rambling.

Okay, I'll put you in context. There's been a troll creating multiple accounts on this thread the last days, including this. So anyone appearing with a new account would seem to be him again. Don't take it personally. I was pro Bernie too, it sucked when he lost. But he's been an example, he's been campaining for the Democrat candidate against Trump, like he said he would, understanding he was a menace to democracy. Man, he was so right, warned about what Trump would do in the scenario of a tight election, he nailed it. He's way more talented than Biden, but it wasn't possible.

Trump is asking to stop counting votes in a democracy, it's happening now, but some guys here putting the focus anywhere else, like look how the other side is corrupt as well, look what Obama did or what Hillary said, of course, blaming how biased others are. Look guys, it sucks when the one you like doesn't win, or the one that you dislike wins. But if you want to set the precedent of not counting votes, candidates not conceding when losing, that goes against the most fundamental principals of democracy. There's something awful going on now and Trump is the responsible. Biden has not said anything out of tone since the election, that's the truth. Swallow your own bias for once and acknoledge what's happening, instead of gaslighting towards other topics. People have voted, votes have to be counted, then we see who leads for the next 4 years. Spoilers: Biden.

I don't know, man. The deer really made a huge mess in his way in and out!!

Let him moan, he's done. No way he's getting elected in 2024 after what he's doing and he'll be too old to run.