PolyPeter

Yes. Dog's do not have the need to understand because their biology does not allow them. On the other hand, humans can go insane out of believing or imagining things that exist only within the conceptual domain.

Yes inded, I can see that. Beliefs can be useful for survival or practical things. But that does not mean Beliefs should not be modified over time or that the act of believing itself should not be observed. I mean, a dog walks around, takes a nap, barks at a bird, sleeps. A dog acts instinctivley, influenced by the context, and the biological needs, but they never go around believing if it's gonna rain or be sunny. When you say this Why nearly and not 100%?

What about a possible us intervention soon? trump tweeted something about "help is on its way"

Yeah, there's a real risk Iran just swaps one authoritarianism for another. History shows that pattern. But: Even if that happens, it's still an upgrade when women can walk outside without being arrested for their hair. When you can criticize the government without being executed. When LGBTQ people aren't hanged. Imperfect freedom > theocratic brutality. And dismissing Iranian women burning pictures of the Ayatollah as 'TV spectacle for the West' misses the point. That's a human being risking her life to reject oppression. Whether or not the system that replaces the regime is perfect doesn't erase the legitimacy of her resistance. You're right that power structures persist. But South Korea went from military dictatorship to functional democracy. Eastern Europe post-USSR isn't perfect but it's freer than under communism. Panama post-Noriega is more prosperous and free, please check this. I'm not naive about what might come next. But I'm also not going to be so cynical that I can't recognize people fighting for their life as meaningful, regardless of geopolitical outcomes.

Ok, point taken, I will consider this and contemplate deeper. I'm interested in what you have to say about the following: How do you distinguish what's good or bad in the relative domain, for humanity as a whole? Do you think that killing each other is just part of humanity and that we will never get past it? Are you not just spiritual bypassing the entire topic by saying "Be mindful of projecting what you feel is “basic dignity”."?

Spiral Dynamics is useful as a map, but let's not reduce 45 years of theocratic brutality to "BLUE can't compete with ORANGE." Yes, Iran's regime operates heavily from blue (absolutist religious law, strict hierarchy, divine authority). And yes, orange values (individual achievement, merit, freedom, capitalism) are dominant globally and create pressure. But here's what that framing misses: The Iranian people aren't just rejecting blue because orange is dominant externally. They're rejecting it because blue taken to authoritarian extremes is genuinely oppressive regardless of what stage dominates globally. Women burning burkas aren't thinking "hmm, the world is orange now so this blue system is outdated." Maybe, just maybe, they're thinking something like "I'm a human being and I'm done being treated like property." That's not stage-specific, that's recognizing basic dignity, which can emerge at multiple stages when oppression becomes unbearable. The real dynamic: Iran's regime isn't just blue. it's blue wielded as a tool for red power (authoritarian control, might-makes-right, brutal suppression) The protests show green values emerging (equality, human rights, anti-hierarchy) and orange values But the core driver is simpler: people want to not be murdered for showing their hair Spiral Dynamics helps explain how systems operate, but it can also be used to over-intellectualize and distance ourselves from the visceral human reality: this regime tortures, rapes, and kills its own citizens for dissent. So yeah, blue Shia Islamic governance is collapsing. Not just because orange dominates globally, but because when you execute teenage girls for protesting, eventually people say enough.

Hey, get some psychological help.

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@Leo Gura Got it! no massive dose for complete newbies. There is always more time to try later on (after integration). hahaha, the skiing analogy cracked me up

@Leo Gura Hmm, thats true, I shouldn't take my experience as a measure device for someone else's trips. My friend told me that he wants to go where I went, in a way that led me to think that he thinks this is somehow exciting and fun. This is not for fun and I don't do it for fun. Later today I will try to explain this to him and talk about that the dose should be low first. Thanks for the advice!

Roger that! makes all sense actually. Now, for a "low" dose, what would you reccomend? This changa batch is very strong. For reference, the same dose, with a different technique, produces entirely different results. 25mg, in one hit, would get me really stoned and "sober". One single hit of the 100mg dose will obliterate anyone, but this same dose, in three smaller hits, takes you to DMT-Land, fractals and maybe entities, which is not The Void. I'm thinking that a good choice would be 50mg, in two hits. Or even this might be too much?

@Leo Gura Exactly like that. Eyes wide open even. I’m on day 2 post trip and the memory is still burning. Every detail is crystal clear. The shift is permanent. I wake up and the first thing that hits me is the memory of getting closer and closer to The Void, and then being it, and coming back into my body. and during the day, multiple times, I have flashbacks of the entire event. Normal life feels like a lucid dream I’m choosing to keep dreaming. I feel I've entered "manual" mode. I felt a literal cosmic responsibility: “I have to tell everyone.” but then, another idea hit: no, this is not for everyone. Most people are not ready and many never will be. Some truths are too corrosive for ordinary mind. This is why I thought that sharing the story here would be cool. Questions: This weekend a close friend is going to smoke the exact same 100 mg single hit. I’ll be tripsitting. He says he “wants to go where I went” and intellectually accepts that consciousness is all there is… but I can already smell the ego armor from here. He has no idea how brutal the extraction is when you get dragged instead of walking gently. Any tips for sitting someone who thinks he’s ready for the Last Void but probably isn’t? I’m planning zero talking, dark room, good playlist on low volume just in case, and a blanket ready for the fetal position phase.

@Ramasta9 Thanks!! yes, good advice, will rest.

@Hojo cannot be unseen

@Leo Gura

@Hojo Wawww nice image, reminds me of an lsd trip

@Leo Gura I'm starting to understand what "Awakenings orders of magnitude bigger than the previous ones" actually mean

thoughts??

Hi forum !! I hope you are doing epic Recently, I came across this well-articulated human, who says very confidently that psychedelics, and psychedelic experiences add no value to getting one into "the path". He tries to use Logic to create a narrative to prove the point, but I find it vague and misleading. He says he has the authority to talk because of experience, in the past he took "almost every drug". He is not telling you which or how much or how many times (which makes me doubt instantly). I feel like I he is missing a lot from what's the real value of psychedelics, alongside meditation! Mind experiment: If you ever come across this human, and get to talk with him and he says this things. What would you say to him, in order to truly start to understand what psychedelics can offer, if used properly as tools? I thought that the clinginess that he refers to, is the same clinginess that he has, by not letting go of the idea that psychedelics are essentially bad and just appearances.

Pretty much, but what can you say to someone in that position to reconsider their perspective on psychedelics?

If there is something scarier than this, I don't want to know I hope you can find a way to share with the shaman that the dose was, maybe too much!

Oh shiiiiiit! Guys I wanna reply to every single comment, and I will, but I am a little busy with work at the moment. Thank you in advance for your nice ideas and questioning.

Hi Forum!!! I hope y'all doing good. I want to ask something that has been bugging me. So, in order to understand what Truth means, one must, at some point, accept that one does not understand Truth. To do this, there should at least be a level of self-reflection and ego-dissolution involved. To not know something and to accept the discomfort of that, requires at least some level of honesty and acceptance of one's own lack of understanding. The question is: How do I communicate to other humans the importance of Truth itself, the importance of trying to know Truth on your own, the importance of being smart enough to learn what method you should use to know the Truth, and the many facets of coming up with a solid answer? I'm reading all the comments!!! thanks. BTW: I claim that I have already come to a solid answer, which is not the usual "there is no absolute truth, everything is relative you know, everyone is coming from different background so what is true for them, that's true, and what is scientifically accepted, that's the objective truth". I'm past that bs. What I want to discuss here, is the different methods for communicating the methods and the importance of truth-seeking itself. Also, the distinction between Absolute truth and relative truth are a little bit controversial within my mind, since if something is true, then that's the truth! and should be always the truth regardless of anything else. PD: Truth = Consciousness = What is = Existence = I am

Absolutely!!! and about the deeper exploration, I also agree. But overall I can also see that I am not the only one trying to come up with this sort of ideas, and discussing them with like-minded people could create better ideas faster.