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@Spiritual WarfareYou did not ask me. I don't care and I am not joking. The "how" IMO is as equally simple as it can be hard. Just listen.

Yes, I can relate to that so much. Had some business meetings today and I can still feel that situations when I fought against or took the emotional/psychological risks, when I fought with my expectations of how I want things to go etc. And - I clearly remember how reality opened up for me, how the whole vibe and mood in the room changed when I did. Very magical experience. And yes, it only works step by step, little by little for me too. And yes, it has to be in everything. Try to gain control and I loose.

LOL synchronicities like this we typed the "door" analogy at the same time

Yes I can relate to that. Compared to the previous months and years, I also experience extended periods where I am more present. Less thinking. Less definitions. More - or at least more noticeable - synchronicities. Just talked to my gf about yesterday, just my impression that reality lately feels different in some moments. As if life opens a door for me, all I have to do is enter. The price of admission is openness - especially when interacting with other people. Just as you said in a post some time ago - got to stay open when interacting with others or you loose your openness...

@Breakingthewall I don't know exactly why or how, but lately you express some content that simply stick with me. These ideas about infinity you post about...there is sth to it (for me). It happened by accident, but I can't stop listening to the "asankh jap" mantra. Even before I researched the meaning of these words they magically connected to me.

You're a funny character. And your proof is undeniable, flawless and utterly convincing. You should start a lawsuit against god and make sure he gets what he deserves!

Bold above marked my me. Some months ago, I had a strong psychedelic trip. I stayed as calm as possible and with my eyes closed, I saw hundreds of images inside my head. Like a movie played extremely fast. I did not have a chance to recognize what these images were - a flashback through my life or sth else - but there was a very concrete feeling. This feeling was "I cannot go anywhere". Later there was another very concrete feeling - "I want to be here" Of course it does not prove anything, who knows where this came from. But reading the post above immediately reminded me of this moment. LOVE THIS Yeah, concerning free will in general...dunno, sometimes I feel like a puppet, sometimes like a free entity, sometimes in between. Maybe it's a construct that is too strict - free will or no free will? Maybe it's something in between? Like when you mix two different liquids and you cannot separate them afterwards. So there is a part that we can choose, a part that is determined and the result is a ...pina colada.

@sincerity: Same applies to you ; )

@Sincerity Few comments below. Obviously I don't know anything as well but it's my current understanding of how certain things work. I see parallels to your ideas and Stanislav Grovs work ("Cosmic Game - Borders of Human Consciousness"). Maybe it won't disgust you - who knows what your energy will say ; ) General Context: I also believe there are archetypal energies. They just are and they want to be expressed. I like your "one thought / one energy is dominant in each moment" I like your "you do not choose actions". Yeah, actions are just the "means to an end", and the end is some kind of energy. For me: First there is the energy, the energy then get's translated into a desire, an intention and (finally) an action. Sometimes the translation is a thought that becomes conscious ("oh what about doing this or that") and sometimes it's translated directly into action before my thoughts and intentions become noticeable for me. Then I am like "OK this just happened" Sometimes I clearly can identify feel like "ok now I need male energy" (meeting with male friends), sometimes I feel like female energy (spending time with sister, gf). Sometimes it's only afterwards "OK I did not know but I really needed that" The more I progress in my life, the more sensitive I get re energies, noticing them, feeling them, intuit them. It's not as easy within myself, more easy with others. Sometimes I stand next to a person and I cannot but notice their energy, their vibe. Re Choice: Sometimes I wonder if the only free choice we have is the choice to resist or not to resist the urge of the energy to express itself Sometimes I think the only choice we have is HOW we express the energy. For instance, if I feel (mentally or physically) aggressive, then I can start a fight with someone and (unintentionally) hurt this person. Or I go to sports, express the aggression playfully in consent with my opponent. Or looking at the BDSM scene, I think this is another part where aggression can be expressed playfully, ideally with someone that has the submissive energy within that wants to be expressed (win-win ) How to deal with it: Gaining control by letting go of control - yeah. Gaining agency to get out of victimmode - yeah. In an ideal scenario, it's like seeing myself as a partner of this energy: "OK, you want to do that - let's make it easy for both of us! I accept your need to be expressed, but let's see how we do that best, shall we?" (much easier said than done ) Your process of writing and getting into an dialog, changing believes makes sense to me; sounds like shadow work and reducing blockages / limiting believes that are in the way of expressing sth My recommedation: Watch out not to focus on mind, believes and thoughts only. IMO, the body stores engery / blockages and you need to speak the language of the body (stretching, sports, massage, walking, touching, cuddling, sex...) , combining this with everything that is language as in words and thoughts Conclusion: Yeah....at this moment, don't really have anything of value to add to this to be honest. Simply don't know.

Yes I agree Yes Yeah as soon as the resistance to "what is" goes, the "problem" disappears. Now it's simply an activity, an experience. Of course, it's simple but not easy

@IshangaHm my post is coming from a different perspective. It's about causality and the individuals ability to create specific manifestations by following a certain method. The 50lb brick - this will hurt, I will scream and do everything to avoid the physical pain. It's real as hell. I don't want to go into the "not real all emptiness" discussion, I am quite tired of this. What I mean is that "I" can come up with 1000+ explanations how I manifested the experience. How I can direct my experiences, how I can casually create this or that experience (Wealth, love, adventures etc.) - and maybe none of this is true? Several 1000 years of humanity, and every week there is a new video "how to really manifest, how to powerfully manifest, how not to manifest". I habe been influenced by such concepts as well, currently I am becoming more an more skeptic Let's assume we put these people in the trenches of war in Ukraine, let their plane crash in the andes etc and then see if their manifestations techniques work. Now you maybe rightfully ask what is the alternative? For me, simplicity has a certain charme. Simiiar to Breakingthewall's "open and closed" it simply goes like that: 1. Minimize your resistance to what it (open to experience, or closed to it). 2. Experience and express (goes along with emotional charges that might be there) 3. See what happens next 4. Repeat What's the difference now? I am not claiming to "manifest" anything, to create anything. I am just taking the ride that is offered. Maybe that's the only choice we have in life? To resist, or to not resist? To be open, or not to be open?

Anyone here considering that manifestation simply does not exist? Stanislav Grov once made a comparison. Imagine you watch a movie, and you see a man (let's call him Luke) shoot another man. The man that has been shot starts to bleed, he goes to the ground. He winds himself in pain. Eventually he lies still on the ground and we as viewer of the movie believe that Luke, the shooter, killed man no. 2. But nothing like that has happened. The man that has been shot is alive. He's well. And Luke, our shooter, did nothing of consequence. So...you get where I am going, right?

Concepts, techniques, methods for me are: 1) Like a boat. Once you crossed the river, you leave the boat behind. You're strong enough to swim without a boat? Swim. 2) Like the crumbs of bread in Hänsel and Gretel: Once you found the next one, the old one looses all his value. Moreover: If you look to hard for the crumb of bread, you miss the root in front of you, you stumble and you blame others for their flawed concepts lol

@Ishanga: Thx did not know this! @whatamI: Did not know this, either. Meditation center I knew but the part with DMT and Iboga ist new for me. I also find the "awakentheworld" stuff high quality content. Started with the "Inner worlds outer worlds" series many years ago and sometimes I am simply amazed how he condensed such huge amount of information in just an 1h of movie. Lot's of knowledge, same time lots of practical advice as well. Was interested in how others see it. Only thing I don't like is that some movies seem over-dramatized (suspenseful soundtrack at times). All in all, I love his content and I rewatch old parts from time to time. And everytime, I learn something new

What's your opinion on the content? They made different films in the last ~10 years. https://www.youtube.com/@AwakenTheWorldFilm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sacred_Mushroom_and_the_Cross

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@r0ckyreed Exactly, that's because YOU CAN'T EXPLAIN BECAUSE YOU CAN'T KNOW! That's the whole point of it. Koans illustrate the limitations of the mind, of the rational thinking, so that you can experience for yourself and find peace in not knowing. Or much more, you stop seeking to understand, know and explain. Inner peace : )

Can't see how you come to the conclusion. My goal re spirituality is for instance is integration of the mental (thoughts, feelings), physical (matter) and spiritual (everything that is not mental or physical) dimensions. In order to do that, I need to open up sufficiently to all of it.

@Princess Arabia I like your posts, nicely written and good message IMO Made me think about sides of myself that I might ignore or do not pay enough attention to. Thx

@Xonas Pitfall Thanks for writing this, the thing with the colour was new for me @Princess Arabia and @r0ckyreed: Interesting to follow your discussion. I think for such situations, koans were created : )

He said, while not clarifying what he actually meant.

Re the OP: Agree with most of the others, all in all sounds good but depends very much on the definition of "suffering": Let's say you have 4 children, they all die suddenly. Is suffering that you are sad that they are no more in your life? Or is it only suffering if you are sad about the fact that you are sad? This whole enlightenment stuff, this concepts of self-realization etc - it's all just words. What resonates with me is a combination of points that have been brought up in the previous posts. For example like this: You have no resistance to what is right now, in your direct experience and open unlimited and unconditionally to whatever was, is and might be. Still a lot of words. Can one simplify it? No resistance = acceptance. And we are always in the now. And what we have is always direct experience, isn't it? So easier: Accept and experience. Can it be simplified? Well, what if I do not want to accept? I want to be in denial. Then it's the experience I want to have, right? If I choose resistance, then that's what I want, right? So I don't need to accept. Which leaves me with: Experience. That's what we do anyway, right? Don't know how not to experience...

Full transparency: I am heavily influenced by the hindu ideas of "Maya", "Leela /Lila"; big Fan of Stanislav Grov, Alan Watts for example. My replies are basically "their replies". Why? The simply resonate the most with me. It simply feels "true" for me since many years (that might change in the future, who knows?) That being said, my answers: 1. Benefit of slow evolving: It's like listening to a song, or dancing a dance: The goal is not to come to the end of the song fast; the shortest songs are not the best songs just bc they are short; and you don't dance to get to the other side of the room - you do it bc you enjoy the process of dancing, listening to music etc 2. Value gradual understanding: See no 1; See hero journey, typical storytelling, your own life; the feeling of deserving, the feeling of putting in work and then finally realizing it; love stories that have some resistance vs. everything went smooth from beginning to end. Great stories have great processes. 3. Cosmic Game: Tbh, the more I dive into my own personal development, my own levels of consciousness, the more I think it's just entertainment. Simply entertainment. The poem below it's translated automatically but I think you can understand it's message- The finger pointing to the moon If you point your finger at the moon and you concentrate on the finger, you miss the heavenly splendor,because you are too busy with yourself. But you're not important at all, because without the moon You wouldn't be able to see your finger at all. See your opponent as a moon. Because without an opponent there is no fight. Now delete the emotion, the words Evoke “enemies” or “enemies” in you and now see him as a teammate. Because without players the game is boring. Then play your game and never change it without an absolute reason! Your biggest enemy is your ego. Even more than your counterpart. Therefore, before you want to defeat another, you should You have to start yourself. See everything as a game. You would like to win, but if you are only on If you think you win, you will probably lose. You Doesn't have to be the best, but you should try.

My first thought: Yeah, why not? Would be great to avoid wars, conflicts, fights for resources etc, right? Then my second thought: It would not be the same "cosmic game" anymore, would it? Something (NOT "someone" I don't believe in shadow societies ruling the world) has an interest to either keep this, or to let things evolve slowly, right?