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Can you elaborate on "phasing your consciousness inward"? I'm simply curious. I have a systemic perspective on that. Psychedelics are a powerful puzzle piece, but just one component in a complex system of being human.

I understand: I don't start a war because I realize leading war and winning war will not make my happy I don't lie and cheat to get material wealth because I realize that will not make me happy I will not use other people or treat them as objects because I being authentic and balanced with my needs those of others will rather make me happy I rather stay in the present moment, take responsibility and don't need to blame other people I care more about others because I realize we are all connected ....

I love being taught lessons by random people about their subjective opinions without being asked!

Makes sense. Draymond Green once said "nothing is as good as it seems, nothing is as bad as it seems". I like that quote, it's good to stay even-keeled. Could not resist making a joke hope you take it with a smile

How does this work in practice? 1) Hot woman tells me "Let's have sex" and I think "no she probably has STDs" 2) Everybody fleeing the volcano eruption saying "it will kill us" and me saying "nahhh, I'll be fine"

You made me laugh out so hard! Thanks

Very well said. Clarity allows you to go beyond the positive / negative game. It's all experience, the rest is a story we create with arbitrary meanings and judgments. But as Ishanga said, many people are too often too deep into their own system and stressed out. This stress severely damages their ability to just sit down and to listen. I was the same for a long time...

"Almost always" for me. Approx 100-150ug I get nice visuals, above that it can become crazy, below nothing or little.

I believe that any possible attempt to describe how reality works will contradict itself. Teachings, teachers and concepts are only useful until you realize that they have no use anymore. Don't mistake the finger for the moon...

For me, it's very similar to Diana. As a kid, there was a deficiency in my family with respect to adult role models. Which left me, for good and for bad, on my own very early on. Nobody to rely on, nobody to support me, nobody caring. So, in case of stress, I (used to) rather retreat and distract then seek exposure to feelings, people, situations etc. The good - compared to most people, I am relatively self sufficient. The bad - I am not closely as self sufficient as my coping mechanisms wants me to believe lol. I mentioned it before in this forum - best way for me to let go of it is building a system. Understanding what's happening and how (trauma mechanism, constructed emotions e.g.), regulating nervous systems exercises (breath, yoga, meditations), making conscious (and adapting) believe systems, making commitments to seek exposure, practicing authenticity, psychedelics, taking interpersonal risks by speaking up, etc etc Little anecdote: I was and still am quite happy with my progress in the last months. And I thought many people are dealing with similar stuff. At least that's what I hear and observe. So I even started to give a free course about these topics. The result? Almost nobody came. Those that came - almost nobody listened. They were physically there, but I could see that they were not really listening. Almost no effort at all to even try to understand the information I was offering. After two courses, I am very disillusioned. People are so stressed, they are so much prisoners of their own mind and habits, people are so unhappy - but when given a chance to get out of this, they do not even get to the stage of trying some ideas. They don't even listen enough to get to the point where the would be in a position to try just a little thing and see if it works for them... Why do you think that is? I have my own theories, but I am interested in other opinions. Of course I can communicate better, more clearly etc but I am working in teaching and consulting 10 years+ and given the feedback I get I am confident that I my ability structure and present information is "good enough" to be understood by people that are actually listening.

Honestly, that's IMO the best answer I ever heard. It perfectly fits my experience

Haha I am forming an image in my mind right now. Brain in a jar..I like that

Interesting perspective. How do you personally bridge the difference? Methods, attitude, etc?

Htf do you know it's not?

So the best thing I take from this thread are the four imponderables. Thx for mentioning did not know that before. I googled it and it actually expands into more interesting stuff. The ten indeterminate questions The fourteen questions The sixteen questions I mean, it's fun and stuff to talk about these things. I get it, and I do it, too. At the same time I can see why those questions should not be discussed and are "a unwise reflection" and lead to attachment to views relating to a self." I wonder how many percent of this forum's content would disappear if one excluded all the content dealing with the back and forth about these questions. What's what, who's right, who doesn't get it, who does and does not see clearly etc etc. I'll go into my day doing my own questions. If's anyone up for discussing them with my, hit me a PM How will my first coffee in the morning taste? Will the cute barista girl be there? Will I feel like asking her out? Or am I totally fine just having small flirts in the morning? How much milk will be juuuust right for my coffee?

@Rafael Thundercat All in all, I agree. When working with others (or myself), I learned to typically don't go to deep into the causes. Only as much as necessary to get in the moment. I see emotions as a reaction to events, creating resistance to what is. I like to give them (me) space to question underlying assumptions: Why do I believe things SHOULD be different then they are know? How do I know that things CAN be different? Or is everybody always doing his/her best --> I got [ANGRY/SAD/DEPRESSED/...] because I did not learn yet to not become [ANGRY/SAD/DEPRESSED/...] about [EVENT/SITUATION/PERSON] Even if I assume that 2. is not true --> how do I know, that result of getting [ANGRY/SAD/DEPRESSED/...] about [EVENT/SITUATION/PERSON is not the best possible situation for me? Maybe I need the feeling of [ANGRY/SAD/DEPRESSED/...] to get where I want to be in the future Even if I think that 3. is not true - why do I believe that I have control about [FEELING] or [SITUATION]? Typically, we have no control but influence If I have influence about [SITUATION], then just do it. If I believe that my influence is non-existent or too marginal to effect the outcome - f*** the outcome. Why do I care about the result instead of what I need to do in order to feel good (having clean conscience, doing everything that is in my power)? If I only care about the result, I will always be unhappy because reality cannot be controlled If people don't believe in no. 6 --> pls show me how you control reality Even if they believe that they can influence reality, and "impact" reality by just finding the right "method" --> how do you know, that you need to know NOW what and how do to? Maybe it just needs time and will come to you Even if you find a "solution" --> how do you know that it will stay like that? Hermaklit says "only constant in life is change". Things will change. Then you have a "new problem", full circle. You don't believe No. 9? OK, show me one thing that never changes.... Etc etc.

The thing about emotions - I have not properly seen this when I read it the first time. I believe what you are saying is really super crucial. I think Dispenza called it "working through the emotional charge" of a (previous) experience. Personally, the combination of going through the emotions mentally (feeling it) + physically cleaning my body of it (yoga, sports, or fasten for several days) worked wonders.

Bold emphasis in the quote by me. Yeah, is it truly a problem, or a way of entertaining oneself? Of course, I am talking about self-created, psychological problems on a personal level. "Ego problems" one might say. I am not talking about "I experienced a plane crash I have no food no water no shelter I probably die soon" or worse problems on survival level (e.g. I do not want to live in Easters Ukraine right now).

To add a perspective In my experience, you need a "system". At least I do. A certain attitude. Awareness about your thoughts. A ability to direct your thoughts. The ability to feel and process emotions. An ability to dis-identify from your thoughts and emotions. A method to calm your nervous system. Social stability (friends you can talk to or just spend time). Sufficient sleep patterns. A healthy nutrition. Hobbies just to have fun with. A method to "get out of your mind" (meditation). Awareness of your breath (at least to some degree). Etc etc.. And very important: The ability, curiosity and flexibility to expand and change your system anytime. What worked yesterday probably won't work forever. And last, an ability to accept in situations where you can't do or do not succeed in any of the things mentioned before. I see many people saying "do this" and "do that" and you will succeed. 1) Everybody is different. 2) Focusing on one thing, one advice, one method, one area of life or one area of being human - never seen this work. Doesn't mean it can't work. Just have not seen it...

Yes, and at the same time I am wondering... the same way we construct those environments (the houses, the books, the forests etc.), we constructed the people within this environment, and we construct the information given by them, right? So in the same way, "we" or "you" or "I" or whatever, we constructed Seth, right? Question is, do we also construct the message transferred to us, or is there something or someone beyond that? Is it always a self-referential loop? Or is there any kind of "message" what we can receive through our constructed environment? If there is a message, there are assumptions we need to make: There is "anything" or "anyone" beyond our own construction This "anything or "anyone" knows sth "I" don't It wants to tell me sth It does tell me sth If it "wants" to tell me sth, there needs to be a purpose why it tells me Assumption 6 leads to "there is a higher purpose" outside my own construction or meaning making But: If there is infinity, why has the message not been understood yet? Maybe because the purpose is not to get the message, but the process of understanding it. Which I would then consider a game - you do what you do not to get somewhere, but simply to do it for the sake of doing it.

Yes, maybe we are dreaming. But there was a comment below a video from John C Lilly that made me laugh. Maybe we are playing, and when we die we take off the VR headset?

Nice one. He has good analogies and metaphors I'll use in the future, e.g. the cockpit in a plane

@Keryo Koffa Thx for your post. Helped to re-structure some concepts in my mind. And the thing about filtering and how changed filters = changed experience of reality is really CRAZY. In the last weeks, I notice a significant shift in my filters even without the use of psychedelics. My experience - or better my categorization of events, situations, interactions and human behavior - changed tremendously. Let's say that at the start of 2023, my sober state of consciousness has been a 1 for me, a 6 when high on weed and a 10 when high on LSD or similar (numbers are symbolic, just illustrating the relative difference). I would say that from 2023 to 2024, I moved from 1 to 1.2 in sober states. From January 2024 to May 24, a LOT happened (one big trip) and I moved from 1.2 to 1.5. In June (no psychedelics, I smoked weed only once), it fees like I moved from 1.5 to 3 or even 4 sometimes. My "sober" state does not seem so "sober" anymore lol. It's like a spiral that accelerates, allowing more and more complexity faster and faster... @enchanted Good question, I basically asked the same one at almost the same time in a different thread

Yes, what you are saying totally resonates. I had big breakthroughs after fasting for some days and I learn more and more how important my nervous system regulation is. I came to the conclusion that it's necessary (for me) to have a system in place - food, sleep, contemplating, sports, social activity, alone-time etc, etc. . I believe that's also why Yoga is a system (8 limbs). Many people only see and do the asanas, mediation and breath but neglect other parts. It's easy to focus on one thing, but systemic thinking has proven very useful for me. BTW, watching the video now and I find it very interesting. Thx for sharing.

Thanks. Makes some sense. Re the body, we still die, need food, water etc. I guess Certainly the limits can be pushed. I remember stories about yogis who reduced the amount of sleep needed and some shaolin stuff also seems to be extending the border of what is possible. But those persons still breath, bleed and die like the rest of us.