Rafael Thundercat

I feel that more important than debates of SD is to start creating ways to nudge people from one Stage to other. For Sure there are many endeavors already in the world aimed to this cause, Actualized being one of them for example

Start using Claude Sonnet in your contemplation. Your mind is biased and runs dependent of phisological needs that are not always perfect ( unless you use nootropics and a very good diet. But anyway Claude will help unstuck your lazy mind. I was trying to answer the question : What are the developmental needs of Stage Blue and Green Spiral dymamics. I suggested it to Claude and it gave me mill to grind. And this is important, take AI answers as material for you own contemplation. Here is Claude help Let me provide a concise explanation of the key developmental areas for Blue (Order) in Spiral Dynamics. The main developmental challenges for Blue consciousness include: 1. Rigidity and Inflexibility - Tendency to see things in absolute black/white terms - Difficulty adapting rules when circumstances change - Over-reliance on authority and established procedures 2. Limited Personal Agency - Strong dependence on external systems for meaning - Difficulty taking initiative outside prescribed rules - Challenges with independent decision-making 3. Emotional Suppression - Repression of "inappropriate" feelings and impulses - Discomfort with emotional expression - Strict control over natural drives 4. Growth Areas: - Developing greater flexibility in thinking - Building capacity for nuanced perspectives - Learning to question authority appropriately - Integrating emotional awareness - Developing personal judgment alongside rules - Finding balance between order and adaptability Would you like me to expand on any of these aspects? I can provide specific examples of how these manifest and strategies for development. I'll provide specific examples for each developmental challenge: 1. Rigidity and Inflexibility: - Refusing to update company policies even when they're clearly outdated (e.g., requiring formal dress codes in remote work settings) - Following traffic rules even in emergencies where breaking them would be safer - Rejecting new teaching methods simply because they differ from traditional approaches - Being unable to accommodate cultural differences in workplace etiquette 2. Limited Personal Agency: - A manager always waiting for upper management approval even for minor decisions - Students only studying what's explicitly in the curriculum, avoiding creative exploration - Workers following inefficient processes because "that's how it's always been done" - Religious practitioners following rituals without understanding their deeper meaning 3. Emotional Suppression: - A father believing boys shouldn't cry or show vulnerability - An employee hiding their grief at work after a personal loss because it's "unprofessional" - A teacher maintaining strict composure even when students make meaningful achievements - Family members avoiding discussion of feelings at gatherings to maintain "proper" behavior 4. Growth Examples: From: - A supervisor who rigidly enforces every rule without context To: - Understanding when rules can be flexible for better outcomes From: - Only accepting information from traditional authorities To: - Learning to evaluate information based on evidence and merit From: - Suppressing all emotional responses in professional settings To: - Learning appropriate emotional expression while maintaining professionalism From: - Following established procedures without question To: - Thoughtfully analyzing procedures and suggesting improvements when needed Would you like me to elaborate on any specific area or discuss strategies for developing these aspects? [I ASKED: Now compile the same but for Stage Green] Stage Green Let me provide a comprehensive breakdown for Green (Pluralistic-Relativistic) stage in Spiral Dynamics. Main Development Challenges: 1. Paralysis by Processing - Over-emphasis on including everyone's perspective - Difficulty making decisive actions - Getting stuck in endless discussions and consensus-building 2. Idealistic Perfectionism - Unrealistic expectations of self and others - Strong emotional reactions when ideals aren't met - Tendency to see any compromise as "selling out" 3. Shadow Rejection - Denying or suppressing "non-acceptable" parts of self - Difficulty integrating healthy hierarchies or power - Overcorrecting against previous value systems 4. Growth Areas: - Developing practical action alongside empathy - Building capacity for healthy boundaries - Learning to integrate multiple perspectives without losing effectiveness - Finding balance between inclusion and decision-making - Accepting human imperfection while maintaining growth mindset Specific Examples: 1. Paralysis by Processing: - A non-profit board spending months discussing a simple policy change because every member must feel fully heard - A team leader unable to make project decisions without unanimous agreement - School committees extending meetings indefinitely to process everyone's feelings - Community projects stalling because consensus can't be reached on minor details 2. Idealistic Perfectionism: - An activist burning out because they feel they must attend every social justice event - A teacher becoming depressed because they can't solve all their students' personal problems - An environmentalist feeling guilty for occasionally using plastic - Someone rejecting potential allies because they're not "conscious enough" 3. Shadow Rejection: - A diversity advocate being intolerant towards traditional viewpoints - A peace activist becoming aggressive towards those who disagree - A communal living space refusing to establish any leadership structure - Rejecting all forms of competition as "toxic" 4. Growth Examples: From: - Insisting on processing everyone's feelings about changing the office coffee brand To: - Learning to balance inclusion with practical time constraints From: - Rejecting all hierarchy as oppressive To: - Understanding the value of earned expertise and healthy leadership From: - Being paralyzed by guilt over cultural appropriation To: - Learning to appreciate and respect cultures while engaging authentically From: - Refusing to make decisions without group consensus To: - Developing skills to make timely decisions while honoring multiple perspectives Would you like me to explore any particular aspect of Green development in more detail?

I saw a Influencer, a naivee one, to celebrate that now Trump may open the way to legalization of Ayahusca etc.. hehe Is possible that people really belive this Twat? https://x.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1857170020427595797 What you guys think? Will RKJ really deliver? Or is just more delusion and Lies?

Just comedy now https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/onion-wins-alex-jones-infowars-bankruptcy-auction-rcna179936

I am still trying to grasp the beautifull text I just read in leo last post about Voters. No comments. The text is brilliant and full of golden nuggets if you have eyes to see.

Moss Frog https://vivum.pt/anfibios/552-vietnamese-mossy-frog.html

https://integrallife.com/integral-life-practice-enough-talk-its-time-to-live/

Integral Life Practice Book. Buy apply and repeat

I am just subscribed for the newsletters. I recommend the book " Integral Life Practoce by Ken Wilber Terry Patten Adam Leonard & Marco Morelli. For exemple, in regrard with the disilusionment of Davino with the Forum the book say: Page 114 and 115 " Whether its your President or your next door neighbor, its incredibly liberating to realize that if someone doesnt agree with you (eg. In matters of politics,religion,art,economics etc.) It migth just be that they're at a different level of consciouness ( higher or lower) in that particular line. This will help you to understand why you wont get them to agree with you,no matter how hard you try. Developmental disconnects occur when you comminicate over the head of other person,literally. * Try rationally discussing democracy with a tribal warlord or debating the finer points of quantum physics with a 5 year old. Good luck convincing a fundamentalist that many different religions are paths up to the same spiritual mountain. There are better ways to spend a saturday Nigth." Get this book and see your practice change for good. Of course if you practice.

Reading the Book and End to Murder., that talks about basically all forms of Humans Killing Humans, by War, Cannibalism and yes, by Slavery. And the book even state that in some form Cannibalism dont need to be necessarialy eat the meet of another human. Slavery in its old form was a form a cannibalism, the slave owners were using the slaves for their own survival, sometimes even in disregard of the death of a slave since they could replace them, similar to the girls in the underground restaurant in the movie "Cloud Altlas" So Slavery never trully ended, it just became more subltle and institutionalized. Here is the link of the Slavery Index https://www.walkfree.org/global-slavery-index/ I recomend reading the book too.

Again people need to undestand AQAL better. An individual may have a mindset of Teal, a moral line development of Blue Stage, and other lines in Red or Orange. I know people that do Psycadelic for long time and are not able to Understand some Geopolitical Basic. Is trully possible to exist a Nazi Zen.

Speaking about Inequality. I recomemd to read this epic book https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/56269264-the-dawn-of-everything#?ref=nav_comm David Graeber was involved in Occupy, check some reviews on GoodReads . So well, his book poses some good questions about the History of History. For example: What is inequeality? We use to romaticise a old past where humans were equals? Trully? What type of equality?

https://integrallife.com/journal-of-integral-theory-and-practice/ Guys may need a good structure to sustain their practice. With no structure all becomes a lose chaos leading nowhere.

God realized ones end up realizing that being on the Top is very lonely, and at same time one of the Qualities of the Higher Tiers is to understand how hard is to rearch States and even more Stages of Development. I am studing the book Integral Life Practice by KenWilber,Terry Patten and Adam Leonard and Marco Morelli. And is beaultifill and at same time dont come to my mind any people from my close circle who would give proper value to it. So I enjoy that for myself and let go of being frustrated that nobody may give it value.

It looks like Charles Eisenstein also derailed. But I can find the exact Reel,Post or Info where he implicitly show that he is supporting Trump Victory.

What about actually making this Hall of Shame? A Wiki with all The Influencers who basically become Nuts with this Re-election. Of course realizing that people change with time or sometimes change when is a good oportunity. For example James Burnman in his widely read 1940 book The Management Revolution had edged towards suggesting that a return towards mass slavery was aactually inevitable in the modern world. He belived that the newly developing "Management Class" of technocrats and bureaucrats would inevitably take control of that Karl Marx had called "the means of production" . Armed with this exclusive power, they could form a permanent rulin class, with the rest of society living as increasingly drones. ( Burnman a former Trotskyist who had become a hard-line rigth-winger,tended to favor Nazi Germany, he later retracted and apologised for his tacit support to Nazism, but only after Stalinists and the liberal democracies had reduced the Nazi empire to smouldering rubble. So maybe Marcus regret his support. Only later when and if he realise that this move wad bad for his life and Bussiness.

Now that America will turn more Christian I will start listening some songs like this

One friend was trying to squeeze a fruit by hand to make smootie. I saw it and asked why? He said he dont want to use the moder gadjets anymore because it comes from capitalism. I hit him with the juicer and said: Take,use this you fucking Hippie!!

Some links and specialist names to follow sites https://consortiumnews.com/ https://scheerpost.com/ https://www.moonofalabama.org/ https://thegrayzone.com/ https://www.indianpunchline.com/ https://covertactionmagazine.com/ Geopolitical Economy Report - News and analysis to understand the world https://www.blackagendareport.com/ https://www.dropsitenews.com/ https://m.youtube.com/c/thenewatlas https://www.mintpressnews.com/ https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/ https://therealnews.com/ https://www.counterpunch.org/ https://znetwork.org/?amp=1 https://tomdispatch.com/ https://www.thepostil.com https://www.doubledown.news https://electronicintifada.net https://www.medialens.org/ https://alborada.net/ https://www.declassifieduk.org https://tass.com/ https://strategic-culture.su/ https://new.thecradle.co/ https://simplicius76.substack.com *Chris (Lynn) Hedges - Prespyterian Minister, 1990-2005 for New York Times, regular in Scheerpost …. (outstanding!) *Patrick Lawrence ( Consortium News) writer, commentator … (much appreciated!) *Aaron Maté - Pushback on Grayzone & Useful Idiots *Abby Martin* - American journalist, activist, host of „Empire Files“ , co-founder of Media Roots… *Max Blumenthal - Grayzone - author and blogger *Robert Scheer- Scheerpost American veteran journalist, writer, activist *Glenn Greenwald - Co-founder of Intercept , Edward Snowden’s first contact , “System Update“ ! Edward Snowden *Yanis Varoufakis - Greek economist and politician. Since 2018, he has been Secretary-General of Democracy in Europe Movement 2025 (DiEM25), a left-wing pan-European political party he co-founded in 2016. *Caitlin Johnstone- Consortium News - sharp Jason Hickel - economic anthropologist Vijay Prashad - Indian historian … Ramzy Baroud - is an American-Palestinian journalist and writer. *M.K. Bhadrakumar - Indian ex diplomat - Indian Punchline ( must read, really good) *John Pilger- Australian journalis, writer, scholar and documentary filmmaker ( close friend of Julian Asange) *Jonathan Cook - British writer and freelance journalist ( about Israeli-Palestinian conflict) excellent *Jaques Baud - former member of the Swiss Strategic Intelligence, a specialist in Eastern Europe and former head of Doctrine of the United Nations Peace Operations. *Emmanuel Todd is a French historian, anthropologist, demographer, sociologist and political scientist Margaret Kimberley - Black Agenda Report (afro-american view) *Jeffrey D. 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(Grayzone) *Ben Norton - editor of geopolitical economy - the site „multipolarista“ , journalist and analyst whose work focuses primarily on geopolitics, international political economy, and US foreign policy. Jeremy Kuzmarov - managing editor of CovertAction Magazine, Ph.D. in American history Afshin Rattansi British broadcaster, journalist and author, who presents “going underground” on x Briahna Joy Gray - American political commentator, lawyer, and political consultant Richard Medhurst independent journalist and political commentator, born in Damascus … Lowkey - British rapper and activist Dennis Kucinich - honest American politician ( pré-candidate for President in 2004 & 2008) Whitney Webb- professional writer, researcher and journalist since 2016. She currently writes for her own outlet Unlimited Hangout and contributes to The Last American Vagabond and MintPress News. 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Streamer. -Dan Cohen - Journalist: @UncapturedNews Filmmaker:@Killing Gaza, …, Haiti: Intervention versus Revolution -Peter Osborne - British journalist and broadcaster (DDN) George Galloway - Scottish politician, broadcaster and writer Diana Johnstone - (born 1934) is an American political writer based in Paris, focuses principally on European politics and Western foreign policy. Anja Parampil - US-based anti-imperialist journalist who works for The Grayzone.Underneath The Grayzone brand, she has her own brand called Red Lines. *Ilan Pappé - Israeli historian, political scientist and former politician Rania Khalek - Lebanese American journalist and political activist Mohammad Marandi is an Iranian-American academic and political analyst Mike Benz - Executive Director of the Foundation for Freedom Online, is a former State Department diplomat who specialized in international communications and information technology matters. 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Still waiting for Leo Book list on books to undertand human corruption? No. Lets share our sources. I will start with one I am reading called " An End to Murder by Colin and Damon Wilson- Human beings have always been cruel,savage and murderous. Is all that about to change? I will not post link here. Make your own search and find out if you like. Just a short story from WW2 from the second page of the book: " A young soldier was captured by the enemy. They discovered that he was an excellent pianist,so they sat him at a piano and told him to play. He was also told that the moment that he stopped playing,he would be taken outside and shot. The young man played continuously for over twenty-two hours,until his arms and fingers were in agony. Eventually he collapsed in tears unable to play another note. His captors heartly congratulated him for such Herculean effort. Then they took him outside and shot him. Examine your emotional reaction at this moment.How much do you empathise with him? With his fear and pain,and his final despair when he realized that his captors laugther and slaps on the back did not mean that they were going to spare him. How do you feel about the men who tortured and murdered the young soldier? Can there ever be any justification for such heartless cruelty? Now consider the following additonal facts: The man was member of the Waffen SS- the Nazi Party elite shock troops,who ruthlessly carried some of the worst atrocities of the war. The Russians who tortured and killed him had just fougth their way across hundreds of miles of scorched earth, and knew of compatriots by the thousand-non-combatant men,woman and children,who had been murdered by the retreating Nazis. How much did your emotional reaction to the story just changed? You would be a remarkable person if you found out that your moral indignation had not reduced,if only by a fraction. You dont know that the young Nazi ever personally commited any crime,yet the fact that he died wearing the most hated uniform in modern history moved at least a step closer to approving his horrific murder. This is typical human trait: We almost automatically start to rationalise and justify any violence that happens to serve purpouses of which we approve. On instinctual level we act as if the ends justify the means, even if intelectually,we reject that repugnat excusse. The ongoing mystery of unnecessary human violence is a classic case of not being able to see the wood for the trees: We tend to concentrate on individual cases -The trees- and fail to consider the vast forest of our apparently habitual brutality."

Origins of Debt. Interview with Michael Hudson. Recommended by a friend who was talking about someting from the Past Called Jubile or the Forgiveness of Debts, a way in the past to prevent Oligarchy

Would be great to have empirical studies on this. But at same time the predicament we have with this is the same with our addiction to combustion engines, we know they are not good to the enviroment and us, but we cant live without it. Same with Slaves in old Greece or Roman, even the ones who could see slavery was not good still keep having slaves since they could not see their society working without.

What about Ken Klippenstien from Intercept/Substack being banned from X because some Documents concerning Vance?

@Davino where to find this Melian Dialogue & Zionism? Is it and Essay?

You posted the same post in 2 places. Moderators where are you guys?