Sincerity

Okeydokey. That's good. I said my piece. I have no clue if my (basically) main point about love/charitability/compassion landed at least a bit but what can I do. Love might be rarer in people than I thought.

"Kiss the joy as it flies." "The grass is greener when you water it." "We can complain that rosebushes have thorns, or rejoice that thorns have roses."

Guess not.

@zurew Again, godspeed to you.

See this is exactly what I'm talking about in the post I just wrote above. Because I'm a Mod here ("""an authority""" 👻), you feel like it's okay to be unkind to me and lie. A perfect example. I gave you 2 warnings. Two. One was for calling another user a hoe. And that was in 2024, btw. So that's that.

I think that many people unknowingly go with Leo into an unhealthy child-parent dynamic. As a rebel child, it can be felt as okay to shit on your parent because the parent is seen as "invincible". The child doesn't take responsibility for its indecency and unjust behaviour towards the parent, because it sees the parent as always above them. This can be a basic dynamic when one feels that someone is an authority figure above them - not just a parent, but also eg. politicians, employers, teachers. So it's "okay" to be unjust towards authority figures, ridicule, bemean, troll them. And the "authority" will probably not stoop to the same level and do the same to the "child", because they have a different view of the world since there is probably some reason why they're seen as this authority in the first place. Will Leo ever make a thread here "here's all the unhinged shit Carl has said in his 16,000 posts"? And then pick 10 out of these 16K? Will Leo hyperfocus on another user's worldview and things they said and make it his mission to disprove that worldview? No. It's children who try to disprove the authority. My point is that if you saw Leo as an equal, as the fellow human that he IS, you wouldn't need to go on a mission to disprove him. You would just focus on yourself. You would forgive the mistakes. Perhaps shift to another teacher who resonates more. But it's the people who DO see him internally as an authority that just HAVE to bring him down a peg. Basically, people insecure in their worldview. In order to "heal", the child must let go of its childishness and acknowledge its lack of ownership for its indecent actions and attachment to the authority figure. Here are a few clarifications: Even when someone is an equal, one can still recognize that this equal is much better at a particular than them. So there can be listening and a humble attitude for that particular thing. While still recognizing that the teacher is "one of us", that we have to treat him with love and understanding. Disagreement is of course healthy and it's fair to bring everyone's unconsciousness to light, if one perceives it. As long as it's done in a loving manner, it's completely fine. But a position of "I just have to debunk everything this person stands for" is not fine. I was speaking in general here, not just about the original post.

I didn't.

@zurew 👍

What I see all around is great examples of everyone wanting to bring each other down and have their ego win the battle. Completely unconscious - criticism, judgement, fighting, trolling, ridiculing. I've been a part of that too unfortunately. Which is a disgrace and I regret it. I see injustice and just plain shitting on Leo here all the time. People not seeing that he's just another person. But then, love/charitability is painted as cult dynamics. It's sad people we're living among.

That's a terrible way, because the average person is very biased. I don't have a dependent relationship on Leo. Strip my Mod status away, I'll live on. Hold on my guy. I was talking about consistency regarding the aggressiveness. The "degranded dogs" posts and all that stuff. I am being precise in my responses to you, it seems like you aren't that way to me. Regarding the being more awake that anyone else - maybe he is. How do you know? Or maybe simply that's his truth. For clarity: I don't necessarily believe that he is. Key thing is, I'm not in an ego battle with Leo. You can make accurate assessments from a position of love too. If you don't have a love standard, well - that's a poor way to live to me. Your relationships must suffer because of it. Brother. I replied to one statement Carl made. Which was indicative of closed-mindedness. I'm not saying he's fucking doomed as a person. It's your choice. If the pros outweigh the cons for you, that's good. * * * * * Overall, it feels to me like you're very disconnected from love and feeling. So we won't reach any sort of understanding. You don't hear what I'm saying and that's fine. Godspeed to you.

@zurew You know, I was a Mod here already when he made the aggressive posts. After seeing them, I was considering giving up my Mod position. But I decided to stick with it because "heck, I trust that it will pass. He's a good guy." And it did.

I'm sure an average person would see him as arrogant, egoic and closed-minded. But why would I care about an average person? There definitely is. If he consistently displayed that attitude of aggressiveness across months/years, I would be less agnostic. But does he? Or again, was it a brief period? Again: when you love, you forgive things. You understand that you could act the same in the person's circumstances. I feel like you're missing my main point. YOU can have compassion towards people. I'm not talking about Leo, I'm talking to you. You be charitable! You forgive people! It doesn't matter what anyone else is doing. If you don't resonate with Leo, simply let go. Is anyone forcing you to be here? If you don't love him, go wherever else your love is. What's the point in staying with someone you disdain?

Yes, exactly. I can’t know (because I don’t really know him), but I lean towards saying that he’s open-minded. You should try the imagination practice of putting yourself in someone else’s shoes more. Exactly. Be more charitable. I’m aware of everything you mentioned. Is he saying these things consistently? Or was that a rather brief period? When you love, you forgive things.

At least Leo is not saying that he’s „too far gone” into some way of thought, and that he’s too old to learn. I think Leo is open-minded. But I can’t know that. I don’t really know him. Many here paint him as arrogant and egoic. I don’t agree with that. They don’t see the sincerity that I see in him. Have some charitability, for god’s sake. Where is the love?

Bro, you’re not even 30 and you’re justifying a closed mind. 🤦‍♂️ Wtf am I reading? I assume this was a „joke”, but I feel like there’s honesty there shining through.

That’d be so great 🙏

If the guy isn't consenting to it, you will have it on your conscience. You will cause a human being great pain. But some people are in open relationships. Some men also get off to cucking. Perhaps try to find 2 folks in that sort of relationship/marriage.

I've been playing Mewgenics a lot in the last month. It's a great game. The OST is out of this world. So many catchy pieces with ridiculous lyrics. I love it.

You assume that. "Believing Leo" is a betrayal of what the truth-seeking pursuit is. Completely backwards. Many here are intelligent enough to not believe, but to seek for themselves what is true. From beginner's mind. As it must be. The converging of realizations of these people is another matter. Well, it's clear you acquired a bias against psychedelics - after your trips, but likely not as a result of them. Probably from Ralston, because that's what he says. You calling them "drugs" just shows how you intent to dismiss them. All complexity is lost. A simple view of drugs bad, drug no can be used as tool. If you have realization during drug, you Leo sycophant. Or something. Those are all great questions. Do you assume you're the only one asking them here? Well, it's great that you're admitting that. So it's a belief of yours. And you're saying you're basing this possibility on your past realizations... past realizations... are you talking about the "relative experiences" that you can't trust? Like come on. Wtf? How is this not contradicting everything you said earlier? A few enlightenments? What does that mean? You said that enlightenment is beyond experience. Now there's a few of them? So just trust me bro. Gotcha. For clarity: I don't know how awake Leo is. He might as well be deluded on many things. I don't know. I'm not too attached. I will never tell you that I think Alien Mice are real or some shit. I've never verified that. I'm simply glossing over things that don't resonate with me. But I am open to possibilities that Leo is suggesting, I deeply respect him as a truth-seeker, I think his work is of very high quality and many of my realizations have aligned with his. So that's that.

Okeydokey.

It's been worth my time. I don’t feel jaded with this discussion at all. I see better now what the major philosophical difference is. Which draws a contrast between the two perspectives and helped me recognize my own understanding better. I see more clearly what the other side thinks and I have a more informed opinion on that now (because I understand him better). And now that I understand it better, I can basically know these arguments forever. So I won't have to repeat the full conversation and I won't have to worry that I might be closed-minded and rejecting something that I don't understand. My conscience is clear.

You don't experience anything else. And everything is equally invented then - which checks out. I acknowledge that even my awakenings to the Absolute are "invented", in that they are still limited, even if being recognitions of higher-order compared to the daily state. But be honest: you are speaking of something that transcends experience. Based on what? Are you there? Are you enlightened? And if not, then what are you talking about? You are just repeating beliefs (probably from Ralston) and not approaching it from genuine beginner's mind. I said that I won't comment on "enlightenment" as it's described by you because I don't know about that. That is epistemic humility. What are you talking about? I trust that if enlightenment exists, the truth-seeking process would guide me to it if that's in the cards for me. In whatever way is needed - through drugs or not. It doesn't matter. But again, this enlightenment isn't a goal of mine, especially since I don't know whether it exists. That, to me, is the proper attitude. One I can be confident in because I'm not believing/assuming anything per se. And so far I was guided to profound God-realizations and other awakenings. That I have no intention to dismiss as "just temporary experiences bro". You learn things throughout the journey, you discover them over and over, and they start permeating you. To me, this is literally just how life works. Or, you know, you can re-see dozens of times that experience is God. And it's not just about "a grandiose experience". It's not just "relative". Again, to me, you are in denial. You insist of something beyond experience (which is probably just your belief), and reject the validity of anything else - even though everything else is literally every moment. One you're writing from right now. And anything you'll ever see or understand will come from it. Now is God. Experience is God. Sorry, but it must take some huge mental gymnastics to reject your own recognition and go on a path of opposition to that. Because "I conceived it, so it's not true". Because that was just an "experience". Because it's "relative". In favour of believed "enlightenment". To me, these are like defense mechanisms invented to keep you from embracing God. I am trying to respond to your precise points. And I truly think that I understand your perspective better now. But I don't agree with it. I've walked my path and came to my own understanding (so far). What you're saying simply doesn't resonate. You're saying that everyone around you should listen. But are you? Honestly. Are you open as you think you are? @UnbornTao I don't feel like you're usually responding to my precise questions and points. So to recap: Where are you getting the notion of "enlightenment" from, "something that transcends experience"? Did you conceive it yourself, or did you take it as a belief? Are you enlightened? If not, what gives you the right to confidently talk about something that you're not living? Define what seeking truth is to you. Are you listening? Are you open?

Daily life is like a series of energetic quick time events. They usually don't last in seconds though - moreso minutes, sometimes hours. Maybe days.

This thread will be a table of contents for my energy-related threads and posts. Besides this, I will sometimes make posts here directly, talking about my understanding of energy, in case I feel something is not worth a thread on its own. Understanding the energetic reality of me is what I'm most interested in, and passionate about. I'm hoping this topic will reflect this, and be of use. I will be updating this thread, including previous posts I make in it. Let's goooooo!! ⚡