Lila9
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23 hours ago, Nivsch said:This is really makes me feel proud in our tiny country 🙏
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8 minutes ago, Nivsch said:I felt like a melted icecream after heard him.
Same!
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Thomas Hand, Emily's father, the girl who was kidnapped by Hamas, is responding to the claims that Israel is an apartheid state. I absolutely agree with him, he speaks the truth.
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3 hours ago, Nivsch said:@Karmadhi Only one side is taught to kill and suicide.
I have never learn anything bad about the Arabs themselves besides that we have wars and we signed peace agreements and wanted to do peace also with Syria and to co exist with the 20% of the Israelis which are Arabs. I remember that I was in 6th grade.
Me too, I have no idea what this user is talking about.
I've never been taught to hate Arabs or to kill them or to hurt them in any form or way just because they are Arabs.
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On 1/15/2024 at 0:17 PM, kenway said:I support a one-state solution shared by both Jews and Arabs predicated on a constitution defined by principles, rather than the current defacto ethnostate.
Or in other words, a return to the borders prior to 1948, but under an Internationally policed mandate rather than a British mandate. (aka International Israel.)
Ideally I would like to see a total reboot of the United Nations, and a process of dezionification similar to the denazification process that occurred in Germany post 1945.
I understand. Honestly, do you think it's realistic or too idealistic?
From my pov it's highly idealistic.
On 1/15/2024 at 0:17 PM, kenway said:That's kind of a strawman. But in any case, cooperation between the Zionists and Nazis is well documented. One such example is the Haavara Agreement:-
This is an agreement of Zionists with Nazis in favor of Jews to save them from the Nazis themselves! lol
By moving them from Europe to Israel so they would not get hurt by the Nazis.
It's not an agreement of Zionists with Nazis to kill Jews, as you implied.
On 1/15/2024 at 0:17 PM, kenway said:That's simply not true. That is quite literally false.
The overwhelming majority of Holocaust survivors chose destinations other than Israel/Palestine. (e.g the United States).
Even if they chose not to live in Israel, it doesn't mean they are anti the Israeli state or not support or appreciate the Zionist movement.
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22 minutes ago, dudts said:Which is what? Can you share?
This is the freedom fighters that you hype. Terrorists are terrorists, not only dangerous to others, but also to their own people.
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21 hours ago, kenway said:Irrelevant. I asked to provide commentary on the nature of the video, not the sect itself. The sect itself barely featured in the video.
I felt it's essential to add.
21 hours ago, kenway said:How is this video biased against the Israeli state? Not a single person in this video advocated against Israel.
I apologize, I thought you were in favor of the destruction of Israel and wanted Palestine to be liberated from the river to the sea. So, do you support the Israeli state?
21 hours ago, kenway said:That's fine and I don't deny that Israel is beautiful. Maybe you could post such videos yourself if you can be sure that it's not propaganda?
I always share here what I find valuable and represents the reality.
21 hours ago, kenway said:Israel and Hamas are both modern day Nazis.
And seeing as you're talking about Nazis by the way:-
I used to be a fully paid member of various anti-Nazi organisations for about 5 years. My family fought actual Nazis in World War 2. My great great great great grandmother was Ashkenazi Jewish. The only reason I’m not Jewish today is because my aforementioned grandmother (for reasons unknown) abandoned her new born daughter onto the steps of a Christian church.
My attitude to Israel is spawn from that same anti-Nazi spirit that I've always held. Your problem is that you are extraordinarily brainwashed, and there's no obvious way of reversing that.
This is not a correct comparison between Hamas and Israel. Hamas is not Israel and Israel is not Hamas, one of them has Nazi ideology while the other not.
Just because your great grandmother was an Ashkenazi Jew, holocaust survivor, isn't automatically makes your statements correct.
Just because Mate Gabor is an holocaust survivor, doesn't make his analysis of the conflict correct. Both of you are people who never grow up in Israel, never experienced this violence from the other side. There is no one who can understand Israel's enemy better than Israel. You can call me brainwashed, if it sooths your ego and makes it more psychologically easy to keep holding your biased narrative. From my perspective, you are ignorant and luck experience to judge this situation property.
The majority of Jewish population, including holocaust survivors (especially them) is pro Israel and have a clear understanding what Nazis really are and who they are, and who are resembling them today, which are radical Islamists more than anything.
21 hours ago, kenway said:It was actually the Zionists that were cooperating with the Nazis.
Not only did Nazism legitimise Theodore Herz's 1896 document "The Jewish State' it also served as a sufficiently "scary event" to force the Jews out of Europe down into Palestine where the Zionists wanted and needed them.
This is the conspiracy theory that you want to believe in, but has nothing to do with reality. Notice that in your view, all the people you consider "bad" (Zionists) were cooperating with the Nazis while the people you consider to be "good" (non-Zionists) were the victims of Nazis, this is a polished story to fit your narrative.
Can you hold in your psyche the reality that the gross majority of Holocaust victims and survivors were Zionists and pro-Israel state? Could you understand why people who experienced hell in Europe would like to have their autonomacy in a form of an Israeli state?
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12 hours ago, kenway said:FOR ANYONE IN THIS THREAD
Would anyone active in this thread please adjudicate on whether the video I posted above was neutral or biased in any way?
As an additional, please could you pass commentary on whether you feel I posted in good or bad faith.
Thankyou.
This is my honest opinion, I don't know if you are psychologically open minded enough to accept it. I assume that, by your request, you are open enough, or at least, I hope so.
This video is highly biased against the Israeli state. This specific sect is a minority, even in Jerusalem.
What is ironic is that they live in the Israeli state, safely and apparently thriving while being protected by the IDF from Palestinian terrorists who would have killed them without thinking twice, because a Jew is a Jew and infidels are infidels.
All of that while being against Israel and pro its enemy, who is antisemitic and would like to destroy Israel to create a Jewish-free dictatorship and an Islamic state.
Some people in Israel compare them to those Jews in the Holocaust who were cooperating with the Nazis and were helping these Nazis against their Jewish sisters and brothers.
I don't know how one, living in Israel and experiencing all the terror and loss in lives caused by pure hatred towards Israelis, can rationalize this in such a way that they identify themselves as the supporters of their killers and enemies. This goes beyond human survival logic, maybe this explains why those people are such a minority.
I often visit beautiful Jerusalem, diverse in people, and I see great love and appreciation for the Israeli state, especially among religious people. Maybe you can include those types of videos if you are really trying to be neutral.
It's funny that you see people who are for Israel's destruction as neutral while boldly ignoring and not considering the other perspective.
It's also amusing that you support people who advocate the destruction of Israel, and you endorse individuals with the intention of genociding Israelis (Hamas, Iran, Hezbollah, Houthis).
You rationalize and justify these actions against Israel by believing it deserves it due to occupation and apartheid.
You are supporting the modern Nazis, who are the radical Islamists today.
Nazis justified the killing of Jews by claiming they were occupying the best workplaces from German people and wanted to control everything, while Jews were the minority.
The same goes here: Muslims occupy the entire Middle East (with the intention to occupy the entire world among radicals), while there is a Jewish minority settling in their historical land. They rationalize and justify horrific terror attacks against this Jewish minority, massacres, genocide, and ethnic cleansing against Jews just because they are "occupying" a land.
And then they cry and play themselves as victims when this Jewish state is trying to defend itself.
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Someone who have never been here or lived here calling our state an Apartheid lol.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C19o4YQI408/?igsh=MWxob3drY2ZlaDg2eg==
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19 hours ago, Nivsch said:Israel's response was so much more directive, broad in their context that could keep a sensible and healthy structure all along the way, calm even, confident and to the point. For me it is very clear.
This is not to say there are no problems need to be addressed as I said before in my comment to the video of ex-IDF soldier @Raze added, but the whole accusation of "genocide" is an entire house of cards. Absolutely ridiculous.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C18_7x8th4j/?igsh=MTJicHZpNHdvMjhu
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10 minutes ago, Karmadhi said:Hamas did not start anything. It was ongoing conflict for decades. Israel killed historically dozens times more people than Hamas did. Just because Israel got attacked once brutally when it did brutally attack others dozens of times. It is basically like the Nazis crying for Dresden when they inflicted way more pain on others during the war.
When you say "Hamas started this war", you are implying that things were peaceful there and they were not.
Hamas has the collective trauma of Palestinians which makes them act like they do and think like they do.
Israelis have little collective trauma inflicted by Palestinians.
Dont take our your historical anger about Nazis raping and killing Jews on Palestinians.
Hamas started this war, and Palestinians initiated this conflict. They had the choice not to attack and solve this peacefully, but they always chose terror, and Israel fought back.
You don't know much about Israeli collective trauma to say that Israel has 'little' trauma, you are talking from ignorance.
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19 minutes ago, Karmadhi said:You are delusional if you think they have a pro Palestinian agenda.
Why would they have an agenda for people that are poor, have no power, no support, no nothing?
What do they gain from it?
Think.
No, I'm not delusional, this is a valid criticism of these highly biased organizations.
I wouldn't believe them blindly only because they call themselves human rights organizations.
I clearly see that they have a pro-Palestinian agenda, not because they are providing aid for Palestinians, but because they are deliberately ignoring Hamas and other terrorist organizations in the West Bank and Gaza and their treatment towards Palestinians.
They blame everything on Israel, closing their eyes to the fact that Palestinian children are living in an unsafe environment surrounded by Hamas weapons, educated for terror and hatred. They also close their eyes to the human rights violations caused by Hamas towards Palestinians, including executions of Palestinian women and LGBTQ people in Gaza and the West Bank.
Why are you blind to that? Why don't you want to see the complete picture? Because it doesn't suit your highly biased and simplified narrative?
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1 minute ago, Karmadhi said:Israeli bombs kill more civilians in Gaza per day than Hamas has captives in Palestine. Why you make such a big deal about them? 100 is way smaller number than 20.000.
Hamas started this war, Israel doesn't bomb out of nowhere. Israel bombs with the intention to destroy Hamas.
Hamas would like to kill all Israelis, or as many as they could, and they would have done that if they could.
Israel doesn't have the intention to kill as many Palestinians as it could.
If it had, it would have done that already, many years ago.
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21 minutes ago, zazen said:Correct, so why do they exist and what are they resisting?
They would like to destroy Israel.
21 minutes ago, zazen said:The same human rights organisations that talk about what Israel is doing and claim it as an occupation and apartheid to which Israelis deny and call anti-Semitic.
They are not objective as they claim to be, they have an agenda, a pro-Palestine and anti-Israel agenda.
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1 minute ago, Raze said:How can the world governments exert pressure on Hamas? They have no connection to Hamas. They can pressure Israel because they are funding them, but Hamas is blacklisted.
There is no evidence the current aid is going to Hamas and Israel inspects it
That was just Israel’s claim, both sides used violence during the ceasefire. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/israeli-troops-fire-at-palestinians-attempting-to-return-to-northern-gaza-during-cease-fire
Putting diplomatic and economic pressure on the states that fund, aid, and justify Hamas, as well as exerting pressure on their leadership and all organizations covertly working with them.
There is a lot of evidence that Hamas is using humanitarian aid for Gaza for their purposes.
"the U.N. was unable to exercise strict control over how the money was allocated, and that it enabled Hamas to use tax revenue and other funds to build up its military arm"
“All the funds that were supposed to go to the public, most of it went to their military capability"
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/gaza-plagued-poverty-hamas-no-shortage-cash-come-rcna121099
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1 minute ago, Raze said:Hamas didn’t break it, Israel rejected Hamas’s offer for the hostage exchange to extend the ceasefire because Israel wanted them to release IDF soldiers.
Israel is not interested in peace either, that’s the problem. They’ve been strangling Gaza for decades with the idea that they can just bomb them every time they attack, putting their own citizens at risk over negotiating.
no one in the west can support Hamas, it’s illegal to send money to a group the US designates terrorists. Donating to aid to Palestinians isn’t helping Hamas, its trying to stop civilian deaths.Hamas offered to release all hostages if Israel released all Palestinians they have in prison, most without charges, Israel refused. The US can’t put any pressure on Hamas because they have nothing to bargain with.
Hamas does not exist in a vacuum. If the world truly wanted to exert pressure on them, they could have. All you wrote are just excuses.
Human rights organizations receive a significant amount of money and aid from the West, which ends up in Hamas' hands.
Yes, Hamas broke the ceasefire by attacking Israeli soldiers in Gaza. They pretend they want a ceasefire to strengthen themselves and carry out surprising attacks on Israel.
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5 minutes ago, Merkabah Star said:No one supports Hamas, not even a little bit. Kill all of them, no problem. Terrorists deserve to die. Not civilians. But your country doesn’t care about that because they are demonised like nazi germany demonised Jews and romas. Same thing. That’s the lesson in all this but you can’t see it. What happens when the oppressed becomes the oppressor?
I personally dont like from the river to the sea slogan.
There is equally bad energy coming from your countrymen about them.
Look at the Israeli posters here on this thread. Triggered, delusional, zero compassion, total robots, in complete shock the world isn’t siding with them.
It is an eye opener.
The only person triggered here is you lol.
It's very clear by your immature and toxic comments to my and other pro-Israeli users' posts.
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2 minutes ago, Raze said:The girls pictured here were IDF soldiers
https://www.timesofisrael.com/presumed-captive-daniella-gilboa-identified-by-the-shirt-she-wore/
https://www.timesofisrael.com/taken-captive-liri-albag-seen-in-hamas-video-being-abducted/
https://www.timesofisrael.com/taken-captive-karina-ariev-told-parents-continue-your-lives/
it’s unfortunate Israels government puts its own youth at such risk by refusing to agree to a peaceful solutions with Palestinians and expecting their young to face the brunt of the attacks as a result
There was a ceasefire, it has been broken by Hamas. Hamas are not realible.
Hamas are not interested in peace, it's so delulu and disconnected from reality to believe they care about peace.
2 minutes ago, Raze said:Westerners cannot put pressure on Hamas, they have no connection. Tactically it only makes sense to pressure the US government as they are supporting Israel which is currently bombing Gaza and have killed multiple hostages as well as putting the rest at risk.
They can start from stoping support Hamas, donating money to them under the cover of "human rights organizations" and UNRA and put more pressure on Hamas leadership to release the hostages.
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4 minutes ago, Nivsch said:The worst kind of suffering possible that is for sure. The suffering of the hostages who can be excuted at any moment is totally in another league.
Not similar to anything else we see from both sides even in this war.
Absolutely. It's terrifying to even think about. This is a complete hell, being at the mercy of such savages.
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1 minute ago, Merkabah Star said:so sad for those girls, must be horrendous for them. They would have been home already if your country bothered to negotiate properly and release them via a ceasefire. Which was an easy enough outcome. But nope. The hostage situation helps fuel the destruction and death of all the children and women.
Sad.
Unfortunately, many ignorant Westerns support and hype Hamas and don't put pressure on them.
What they do instead is to scream "free Palestine from the river to the sea" like some zombie poisoned sheep.
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I'm afraid to know what these innocent girls are going through in Hamas captivaty. Per the testemonies of the realeased hostages, Hamas terrorists are sexually abusing girls and young women.
Such devilry, everything is justified to "free Palestine". Gross.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C11rAO2tFkE/?igsh=MWplaGRlOXo2dGI0cQ==
https://t.me/novafestival2023/13923
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42 minutes ago, Karmadhi said:@Lila9 This is proof that brutally crushing resistance and treating Palestinians as lesser and cleansing them does not work.
You take out Hamas in Gaza, another gets created in West Bank.
I had a conversation with some friends, they said West Bank should fight like Hamas did in Gaza because eventually Israel wants to kick them all out and treat them like subhuman trash.
Better die fighting.
This is the sentiment people have about Israel which motivates them to do stuff like you wrote.
Something fundamental needs to change, giving Palestinians right and some of their land back.
Otherwise you take out 1 head, 2 others replace it. Forever and ever. Endless cycle of violence.
How can we trust people who commit such brutal acts towards innocent Israelis just because they happen to be Israelis?
They killed a woman, Shani Louk, among many Israelis who were ideologically pro-peace. They did that so brutally, how can such people be trusted with a state?
https://www.ynetnews.com/magazine/article/hypel11uu6
Would you trust terrorists who are capable of this? Would you allow them more power, given they are passionate about killing you and are living near you, your children, family, and friends?
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So far, they haven't shown a geniune desire for peace, instead, each year, they demonstrate a commitment to replacing Israel with Palestine and doing whatever it takes to achieve this. They have shown a false desire for peace in 1993 and then in 2018. But their actions don't match, because there is no true intention for peace.
People genuinely seeking peace don't behave in such a manner. They don't attack Israeli civilians and start war out of nowhere.
But, they show interest in negotiation, in diplomatic actions, in educating their children for peace with Israel rather than hatred and not investing in weapons and terror organizations to kill Israelies.
I don't subscribe to the "they do that because they are oppressed" theory. Many oppressed groups don't exhibit similar behavior, suggesting a toxic ideological factor at play in their actions that isn't Israel's fault. Given this, there's no guarantee that this behavior will cease if they acquire more territory.
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In the meantime, Hamas terrorists in the West Bank are committing terror attacks against Israeli people, including Israeli Arabs, every day.
Some attacks are successful, while others are not.
The Israeli army is working hard to confiscate their weapons and arrest them, aiming to prevent potential terror attacks against us.
There is suspicion that tunnels have been built from the West Bank to Jewish villages, intending to carry out terror attacks similar to the one on October 7. They appear highly inspired by it and may seek to repeat it with more Israeli victims this time.
Hamas terrorists are also still launching rockets from Gaza, hiding between Gaza civilians, UNRA and other curropted human rights organizations in the world which are covertly cooperating with Hamas.
However, there is no mention from Al Jazeera or BBC. lol😂
They are so anti-Israel (for yearssss) and deeply entrenched in their false narrative that Hamas and Palestinians are innocent victims.
As a result, they ignore a significant and crucial part of the reality in which Israel has always been and is still under terror attacks, instigated by... surprise surprise... Hamas, Palestinians who support Hamas, and all the organizations with anti-Israel agenda, covertly cooperating with them (like UNRA and STC), which have Israeli blood on their hands.
They are not victims and not innocent, and if they threaten Israeli lives and existence, they deserve to be fought back.
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3 hours ago, Ajay0 said:I have seen some videos of Mosab Hassan Yousef, also known as the 'green prince' and a son of the founding leaders of Hamas. He is anti-hamas for its terrorist stand and inclined to liberalism, rationalism and democracy in the middle east.
His explanation and analysis of the crisis in the Middle East is incisively logical and crystal clear . He appears to be a well-educated and intelligent man who had utilised the learning resources available to him in his travels around the world, which enabled him to think outside the box and figure out the bigger picture.
Similalry other Palestinian youngsters should similarly educate themselves, think critically and be self-aware, so that they will not end as unconscious puppets of the dysfunctional and regressive Hamas leadership.
I read his book, and it describes the amazing process he went through, from a Muslim Palestinian child, a son of one of Hamas founders (a Sheikh) who grew up in the West Bank in an environment hateful towards Israel, where nobody questioned it, wanting to kill Israelis (as described in his book) due to all the brainwashing he underwent from birth.
He evolved into a man who started questioning everything, including his religion and what he had been told about his enemies. He realized that his true enemies weren't the Israelis or Jews but Islamic radicals, like Hamas.
When he joined Israeli intelligence, he, for the first time, realized how horribly Hamas treated each other and Palestinians.
He rejected those values because he had a reference point to compare to, the Israeli intelligence, which treated him and themselves much more humanely, with better values and motives.
I find his testimonies highly reliable and credible because he fully experienced both sides. He experienced the true character of Hamas and the Palestinian reality as well as the Israeli side and reality for 10 years and he has a lot of valuable insights.
He evolved from a potential Hamas terrorist to a man who attends meditation retreats in East Asia.
This is a beautiful story about the human potential, about courage, critical thinking, personal and spiritual development and about truth.
Here at the UN, he's talking about the fate of the Palestinian children and why they have to be saved from Hamas:
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No, you don't really know.
You demonize and dehumanize the Zionists movement, paint them as devils to suit your narrative, glued to a certain propagandist content which confirms your bias.
In your fantasy world, Israel got into this war for fun, that's hilarious, you definitely cannot understand what enemy Israel is facing.